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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago (29 children)

All countries have always been governed by the property owning class. With all its faults, capitalism has resulted in "peons" having the most say they've ever had. It's not a lot, but it's sure better than under classical democracy, feudalism, monarchy, theocracy, and "communism" at least as practiced in the USSR, Cuba, North Korea and China.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (14 children)

“communism” at least as practiced in the USSR, Cuba, North Korea and China.

What are you talking about? Research how many rights women and lgbt people lost when the GDR fell for an example of how wrong-headed this line of thinking is.

For those who want light reading, I highly recommend "Why women had better sex under socialism, and other arguments for economic independence"

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (5 children)

That's nice, but the issue was whether they were part of the governing class. The rights the women were given in the GDR didn't include the right to pass new laws. As for choosing new representatives, look up the term "Wir gehen falten".

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're claiming that capitalism is better on having elected women officials? First off, no. GDR and west Germany had similar rates of women in leadership, and women had political organization through the democratic women's front.

Second off the framing is bad: I care less about smashing the glass ceiling than I care about not being hatecrimed in a rampantly misogynistic culture. I care about having the economic independence to leave abusive relationships, and to date for love and pleasure and not financial security.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, I'm saying western democracies are better because you got to vote.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You get to vote in socialist democracies like China, Cuba, USSR, etc. You've been told you can't. Who told you this?

If you don't believe me, look up the process for how the Cuban 2019 constitution and 2022 family code were drafted. Socialist democracy is more advanced and democratic than liberal democracies.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You get to vote in socialist democracies like China, Cuba, USSR, etc

Sure you do, as long as you vote for the candidate that the state prefers. Again, look up "Wir gehen falten".

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sure you do, as long as you vote for the candidate that the state prefers.

That isn't how soviet style democracies work. For example, the municipal assemblies of Cuba have multiple candidates for each seat, which are not chosen by the party. Those councils then choose a national representative for their municipality, which is confirmed by a popular vote.

Again, look up “Wir gehen falten”.

Link to what you're referring to please, I didn't find anything interesting in the search.

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