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[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 58 points 1 month ago (17 children)

This is what a lack of competition looks like.

However.... Twice the price of 4nm? The gains are fairly marginal from what I gather. I don't think many will bother.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 1 month ago (15 children)

It's both lack of competition and the end of Moores law. We've effectively reached the end of silicon gate sizes and the tooling complexity required to keep shrinking process nodes and increase transistor density is increasing exponentially, so semiconducters no longer get cheaper... and it's starting to push these cutting edge nodes outside of economic viability for consumer products. I'm sure TSMC is taking a very healthy profit cut for sure but the absolute magic they have to work to have 2nm work at all is beginning to be too much.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm of the opinion that this is why liquid cooling is so important to next gen hw. I think they're going to start spreading out the chips more and sandwiching them like with the dh200s Nvidia is working on

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Liquid cooling has become more needed because processors and gpu's have become outrageous power hogs. Desktops needing 1,000 watt psu's is just outrageous.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

That's not really true, except at the ultra high end. My 4070 barely draws more than my old 1070. The 4080 draws the same as a 3080 with double the performance.

I would argue water cooling is far less needed today. What has changed is Nvidia selling chips that would have been considered extreme aftermarket overclocking 10 years ago.

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