this post was submitted on 14 Oct 2024
387 points (77.3% liked)
Memes
45704 readers
1325 users here now
Rules:
- Be civil and nice.
- Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
The US has two parties: center-right and far right.
(This is a lie internet lefties tell each other)
What's the lie?
That Democrats would be considered right-of-center in other countries. They're clearly a center-left party.
by what measure?
Seeking social justice through redistributive social and economic policies of government.
the extent and effort at which they create and enforce those policies is the measure of left or right in this country; not the existence of those policies because both republican and democrats say that they want those things; but when you investigate beyond the lip service you find that conservatives will give token-at-best support for the policies while leftists will support it with full vigor.
tldr: the democrats very tepid support for these things is what makes them center-right; because the party that calls itself conservative takes pride in doing this, while most democrats do it too and hope you don't notice.
longer: democrats only push for re-distributive policies (if at all) once it becomes popular and they're forced to respond; not because democrats are progressive. see biden's decades long anti-gay crusade that suddenly stopped once he needed the votes and his expansion upon trumps draconian anti-immigration policies; or clinton's establishment of anti-gay service and anti-gay marriage; and then see kamala backtrack on liberal positions like pre-k; community college, childcare, medicare expansion, etc. only the democrats very weakly seek social or economic policies of government and; for the most part; behave like republicans when it's time to put their money where their mouth is; that's why they're center-right
it sounds like you're judging these books by their cover without reading any of the material. we're on social media so it's par for the course; but your takes are going to be divorced from reality if you don't bother to go further than shallow understanding.
Actions speak louder than words, though even their words aren't saying much these days.
Her campaign videos with Obama asking for fundraising money boil down to "Gieb $5 or I let the orange man win" for me.
Center-left? In what way? They are genocidal imperialists, they aren't anticapitalist in any form.
They want to use the power of government to reduce the harms of capitalism, via minimum wages, social safety nets, child tax credit, subsidizing more environmentally friendly energy production and electric cars.
No they are not as far left as you and the people you talk to online, I didn't say that. You are allowed to want different policies. You're just incorrect to call them right wing.
No they don't, lol
That isn't "center-left," that's center-right.
Leftism starts at anti-Capitalism.
Ok I don't expect you to see it but this is exactly why I said it's a lie that online lefties tell themselves. Globally, yes you absolutely can be center-left without demanding the overthrow of Capitalism.
What do you think leftism even is? An arbitrary vibe? Globally, Marxism-Leninism guides one of the most populous countries in the planet.
Being left of center is not solely defined by being Marxist, and one country, even if it actually was Marxist and not 3 Capitalisms in a trenchcoat, would not define the standard of what constitutes "left" in the world.
I'm not saying Marxism isn't Left. I'm saying it's not literally the only thing that IS Left.
Left of center is anticapitalist, be it Anarchist, Syndicalist, or Marxist. I also think it's funny when you out yourself as having no clue what Marxism even is if you think the PRC is "3 Capitalisms in a trenchcoat," read Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism.
Neither did I. I just also said Liberalism isn't left.
The metric you are using is not the metric the actual real world uses for center left. You are bringing your internet lefty definitions and declaring that I'm wrong to say only internet lefties would use them. Major parties in the middle of the political spectrum are not typically pushing for the overthrow of Capitalism.
I am using the metrics the actual real world uses, not wherever you live's Overton Window.
You just aren't, but I don't know where the "no U" is going to get us.
Explain.
Republicans have also votes for bills supporting all of the above.
You have to realize that Republicans are not the party pushing for these things. What you are saying does not retort anything I said.
Minimum wage and tax cuts stimulate the economy and reduce government spending. They are right wing policies. The Democrats are center right.
Ending grain requisitions and transitioning to prodnalog stimulates the economy thus Lenin is a right wing hack.
Minimum wage reduces government spending