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[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 342 points 4 weeks ago (103 children)

"Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about.

It's entirely clear why the change was done, it's not getting reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to "grass root" it by Russian troll factories isn't going to change anything.

And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.

If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by "news", I don't mean Russian state-sponsored spam.

As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too."

fuck yes. fuck russia. fuck russians.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today -5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (71 children)

So, basically it's enough to say "Fuck Russia, Fuck Russians" here and it gains you massive support.

Seriously?

First, how does this fuck Russia the state?

Second, what everyday Russians have to do with it? What justifies sneaking in hate messages to a diverse ethnic group with no single ideology?

Saying "Fuck Russians" is about the same as "Fuck Jews" because Israel has done bad things. This is not okay.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

Because the ex-Soviet elite layer, one can say, a one big mafia corporation, after USSR's breakup has taught its ways to Western elites, and Western elites have taught them something too.

Actually in that context Linus' dad being a Finnish communist who lived in USSR for some time is an interesting additional fact. I even remember reading that in J4F and marveling at his rose-tinted view of USSR there.

These people want to pretend that this didn't happen and their institutions are not already dying, and that they are very different from Russians.

So they think they can avoid something by hating more on Russians, that must help. It's like avoiding infected people during a plague, only your crowd is already infected too, it's too late.

Also when you are more used to something and conscious of it, you have more immunity.

In Russia we have a choice between obvious propaganda, delusions reactive to that propaganda (which are not truth, but humans want to think that the clear opposite of propaganda is the truth), various fuzzy neutral-pessimistic grassroots opinions, and 100 sorts of foreign obvious propaganda. We are also conscious of how much power we as people really have. Even those who volunteer for Ukraine are not doing that due to "lack of real news", they are doing that due to various kinds of desperation and cynicism, some just being evil.

In any Western country you have the same choice, but due to the common delusion that your kinds of obvious propaganda are not that, you tend to avoid using it. That's just an earlier stage.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today -3 points 4 weeks ago

Virtue signaling and spreading hate as a way to distance yourself has truly never led to something good.

And with the direction US and EU are taking recently, I have more sad reasons to believe your words are true. Let's hope they're not.

Thanks for your input.

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