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KDE Plasma 6.0 Approved For Fedora 40 - Including Dropping The X11 Session (www.phoronix.com)
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[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m really looking forward to Plasma6. I know gnome has its fans but I am really just a reluctant user. Every day gnome works against me and I have to resort to workarounds.

Do I want to navigate, inspect, and manipulate my files quickly? I use dolphin.

Do I want to have a convenient panel to get a very quick glance of my currently running programs as well as a place to pin my most commonly used ones? That’s an extension.

Do I want sub-windows to always block their parent window, preventing me from interacting with the parent further? No solution.

Do I want desktop icons? Do I want excessive notifications from common tasks my computer is doing instead of from my own programs?

I have more complaints but I think I am making myself clear. Overall I do like gnome and it has good performance, but there are so many annoying aspects. KDE is itself not perfect. There’s enough reasons for me to continue using gnome over kde5. But that’s why I hold out hope for plasma 6.

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Anybody else really hate how a lot of gnome programs have settings that are hidden in the optional gnome-tweaks program instead of putting them in the control panel or program preferences? I swear gnome3 is the only DE that genuinely despises its users.

[–] TeryVeneno@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

What are your reasons to use gnome over kde? Most of the things you mentioned are reasons I use gnome over kde so I’m curious to know other perspectives.

[–] pathief@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I can only hope plasma6 has serious improvements on Wayland compatibility with nvidia drivers because plasma5 is unusable.

Yes, I know it works on your machine. It doesn't work on mine :P

[–] kadu@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Nvidia's latest driver patched several issues with Wayland sessions - perhaps the experience will be a tiny bit better now

[–] devfuuu@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Completely agree. I keep trying to open a new session on a clean new user regularly to check if it works and it is absolutely horrible. 3 days ago after updating the system and seeing some new latest kde versions coming in, tried again and noped the out of it in a few minutes. The fonts and scalling in so many places are very bad.

I keep reading about great improvements in the 6 version and am really hopeful for it to be usable.

Or the problem is just that no developers have normal regular laptops that are 14'' at 1080p and can't imagine that proper scaling at 125% and 150% needs to work out of the box.

Edit: I don't even have nvidia hardware, it's just regular intel stuff. Can't imagine the struggle of nvidia folks.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hopefully Fedora and others forcing users onto Wayland is going to help push Wayland devs to fixing the stuff that's breaking compatibility for everyone still stuck on X11.

[–] SquigglyEmpire@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Wayland is just a protocol, issues need to be fixed by devs of the apps/toolkits that have still haven't migrated over unfortunately.

[–] pathief@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I share the feeling. Not sure if the problem lies on Wayland or Nvidia but hopefully if Wayland becomes the standard they'll address the elephant in the room!

[–] loutr@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Wayland is just a set of protocols, which work fine (albeit with limitations) when implemented properly. So if KDE's implementation of its share of the APIs works correctly with Intel and AMD GPUs, but not with Nvidia ones, the culprit is extremely likely to be the latter.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just want kde on Wayland not to have blury font with fractional scaling. It's just unusable. Once that's fixed, I'm all set to use it as my daily driver.

[–] imgel@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Fixed. Not backported since it requires a QT update. Fix is coming with Plasma 6. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=446674

[–] dunestorm@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can feel all the X11 fanboys crying lol

[–] Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

How hard do you have to search to find these x11 fanboys? Because whenever this topic comes up, the only detractors I see are users who complain because they can't use wayland for various reasons.

On the other hand those on the other extreme are easier to find, as they always celebrate x11 users (willingly or not) getting screwed; so toxic.

[–] pathief@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think anyone is an X11 fan boy. We all know Wayland is the future. I would be using it if it worked on my machine.