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[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago (3 children)

i think this is a fairly reasonable gut reaction to first hearing about the "unnatural" numbers, especially considering the ways they're (typically) presented at first. it seems like kids tend to be introduced to the negative numbers by people saying things like "hey we can talk about numbers that are less 0, heres how you do arithmetic on them, be sure to remember all these rules". and when presented like that, it just seems like a bunch of new arbitrary rules that need to be memorized, for seemingly no reason.

i think there would be a lot less resistance if it was explained in a more narrative way that explained why the new numbers are useful and worth learning about. e.g.,

  • negative numbers were invented to make it possible to subtract any two whole numbers (so that it's possible to consistently undo addition).
  • rational numbers were invented to make it possible to divide any two whole numbers (so that it's possible to consistently undo multiplication, with 0 being a weird edge-case).
  • real numbers were invented to facilitate handling geometrical problems (hypotenuse of a triangle, and π for dealing with circles), and to facilitate the study of calculus (i.e. so that you can take supremums, limits, etc)
  • complex numbers were invented to make it possible to consistently solve polynomial equations (fundamental theorem of algebra), and to better handle rotations in 2d space (stuff like Euler's formula)

i think the approach above makes the addition of these new types of numbers seem a lot more reasonable, because it justifies the creation of all the various types of numbers by basically saying "there weren't enough numbers in the last number system we were using, and that made it a lot harder to do certain things"

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think the Common Core addressed this a bit.

Not sure if that stuff is still in the curriculum because a bunch of dumbass parents who will not hesitate to boast about "how bad they are at math" complained about not understanding their child's homework.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

That’s not the way I learned math growing up!

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

I'm pretty sure accountants invented negative numbers. They've probably been behind most basic mathematical notation progress back in the early days.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

I had a math teacher that told me the number 0 was a rather late invention. Like they were doing math for a while without thinking of the concept of 0.

[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago

Oh... Try explaining complex number or hex or binary. Or even better polar form of complex numbers.

[–] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Depends so much on the kid. One learned about negative numbers when he was 6 and understood it immediately, including using them in sums, and absolute value. The other is this meme exactly in 3rd grade.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Math is taught younger to every generation. Our first grader is well aware of negative numbers and is learning some topics I didn’t get until 3rd or 4th grade.