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'they didnt want us posting': Furry hacker collective suspended after teasing breach of right-wing think tank (www.dailydot.com)

submitted 4 months ago by Aatube@kbin.melroy.org to c/nottheonion@lemmy.world

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“SiegedSec account suspended,” vio wrote. “this current account will be used as a backup until a new one is set up :3.”

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 38 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Gay furries hacking right-wing think tanks. What a world to live in. Maybe this is what left-wing hackers should be doing? Not hacking poor saps downloading torrents, but right-wingers and their unthink tanks.

[–] thesmokingman@programming.dev 50 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What? A good chunk of hackers are left-wing and go after authoritarian or repressive targets. I have no idea what you’re referring to unless you’re talking about the recent Korean ISP story which is so far off from your categorization.

The other option is Poe’s Law.

[+] atro_city@fedia.io -31 points 4 months ago (3 children)

What?

What are you not understanding?

A good chunk of hackers are left-wing and go after authoritarian or repressive targets

Wanna back that up with something?

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The very existence of Anonymous, pretty much the most notorious hacker group? Could you name one instance of a left-wing hack of torrenters?

[+] atro_city@fedia.io -29 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I was expecting stats, but OK. So North Korean, Israeli hackers, NSA, Chinese state hackers, and bunch more are all left-wing too?

Could you name one instance of a left-wing hack of torrenters?

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/23662381

[–] thesmokingman@programming.dev 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Now you’re moving the goalposts. You’re saying left-wing hackers need to go after something other than torrents but you haven’t even show that happens yet. You don’t understand your linked story if you think that applies.

I think stats-wise, less than 10% of those convicted under the CFAA are right-wing. I don’t consider state actors to fall under the category of “hackers;” that’s probably a personal bias. I would want you to categorize those states as left or right and then provide stats since that’s your thing and you brought them in. You’ll also need to define where hacks for clout or cash land, since that’s a huge percentage of CFAA convictions.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io -5 points 4 months ago

Which goalposts am i moving?

I think stats-wise, less than 10% of those convicted under the CFAA are right-wing.

Again, no proof. Just a claim. I can think anything I like. Also that stat could also just prove that non right-wing hackers get caught more often or are worse at opsec.

I don’t consider state actors to fall under the category of “hackers;” that’s probably a personal bias

So the NSA doesn't have "hackers"? What are they then?

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 4 months ago

How are people hired by a state always aligned with that state’s ideology, assuming that these examples are even left-wing in the first place? How is that MalwareTech guy’s botnet for personal gain spread through torrenters, which are indeed an easy vector, a left-wing hack?

[–] JamesFire@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wanna back that up with something?

The literal post you are commenting on

[+] atro_city@fedia.io -10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So these gay furry hackers are "a good chunk" of hackers? Thanks for that scientific insight. Got any more of those? A "good chunk" of immigrants are rapists and killers ergo that makes it a majority?

[–] thesmokingman@programming.dev 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You really don’t know the landscape, do you? Gay or furry hackers do, in fact, make up a significant number of security professionals. There are a ton of in-jokes about exactly this. There are several gay, furry hacking groups active at the moment, probably representing a large percentage of active groups outside of nation state APTs.

[+] atro_city@fedia.io -6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It's an unsubstantiated claim that I'd like evidence for. Bring me a study that used proper methods to gather its data and I'll believe it. Simply saying "in my experience" means next to nothing. What if I spent my time in a group of right wing hackers and that's all I knew? It would be my word against yours.

This is exactly how misinformation spreads: blindy believing what some person tells you online. I'm willing to accept that most hackers are gay furries. I would be elated even. But I'm not going to just go "oh wow, thesmokingman said so, so it must be true".

[–] thesmokingman@programming.dev 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’ve already provided you CFAA prosecutions and security professionals, both of which you can go find data on yourself. What more do you want? A third population? You want me to go link you all the data? Do I need to chew your food for you too? Every single time I provide an answer you move the goalposts further and further.

You made the unsubstantiated claim that started this thread and you are continuing to make claims that you yourself have provided no data for. I’m still waiting for you to provide real examples of left-wing hackers focusing on torrents as a vector like your original comment.

You have no idea what you’re talking about and you constantly double down. Have fun with that.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io -5 points 4 months ago

OK. So you can't provide any data. Noted.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Bring ME one. You made the claim. You should prove it.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Quote which claim I made.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 4 months ago

this is what left-wing hackers should be doing? Not hacking poor saps downloading torrents

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Well you made the initial assumption, so you have to provide data to back that up.

[–] Delusional@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

Excuse me but "right-wing" and "think" should never be in the same sentence unless that sentence is "the right-wing morons tried to think, but they're too damn stupid."

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

Musk's website is likely not the place to go when you want to talk about your cybercrime. Hell I doubt most Mastodon servers would be the right venue for that.

[–] jimrob4@midwest.social 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Revolutionaries in the 1910's through 1970's: Baddass mofos with automatic rifles and no fear of death.

Revolutionaries today: Gay dudes dressed up like cartoon animals with an internet connection.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Jokes on you, those fur suits cost thousands of dollars cause they are lined with Kevlar! /s

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

decades of safety research ftw

but why are they revolutionaries

[–] crusty@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago

Furry twink tank breaches right-wing think tank