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[–] aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 306 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] Senseless@feddit.org 124 points 3 months ago (6 children)

And PiHole, Sponsorblock, Adguard and ReVanced (depending on the device). This is a strict "no ads" household.

[–] Emptiness@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Smarttube for set top boxes like Nvidia shield etc: https://smarttubeapp.github.io/

[–] Senseless@feddit.org 11 points 3 months ago

Oh yeah I forgot that. Using Smarttube on my Android TV.

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[–] something_random_tho@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Don't forget Tubular on Android

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[–] Quik@infosec.pub 231 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Billy should really not support them, Ad Block Plus let’s advertisers pay for having their ads checked as "acceptable advertisements", i.e. is selling out the core functionality of their product. Billy should use uBlock origin, which afaik does not accept donations, he could however support something like PiHole .

[–] Romkslrqusz@lemm.ee 31 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’m pretty sure those ads also have to meet certain criteria though.

Using ABP, I’ve never had a popup ad, full page ad, auto-playing video, or other intrusive form of advertisement. The “acceptable ads” have been quiet and out of the way in what would otherwise be empty space.

With the understanding that some websites and content creators are entirely reliant on ad revenue, I prefer to have those filtered down to those that don’t provide a burdensome experience.

I will say that having a new tab open with a solicitation for a donation / “premium” every single update (so almost daily) is irritating and they better knock that shit off if they don’t want to alienate users.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 19 points 3 months ago

The “acceptable ads” have been quiet and out of the way in what would otherwise be empty space.

I don't mind this whatsoever. I can appreciate the concept of free is paid for by ads, but when you force me to sit there and have to watch it, or pop ups take over the page, all that excessive nonsense, that's when I say fuck off and use an ad blocker that will remove everything.

I actually think dating sites could be improved if they had an ad you could swipe away every 10 swipes or something. (I absolutely loath swipe only apps though. I need to know your personality not your duck face pose....) for apps with bios they could have a "banner" type ad that is between segments of the bio. Anything but "pay $50+/month to make this somewhat functional."

[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago

I have no problem with the acceptable ads system. ABP doesn't get any money from it, and the ads have to meet the criteria anyways, and it's easy to opt out. I guess it's a bit fishy that the list maintainers charge money to get ads reviewed, but the FAQ ThunderWhiskers posted says that smaller companies get it for free, and they only charge the bigger companies. I'm not gonna get up in arms over someone charging Disney money for a service they give the local deli for free.

I also like the way it gives companies an incentive to produce less intrusive ads. With the system, unintrusive ads reach more people. Otherwise, it's all or nothing, which makes intrusive ads the best option from a greedy perspective; they're far more likely to be clicked, and the only cost is the risk of damaging the ad ecosystem as a whole (and you know how little corporations can care about damaging ecosystems.)

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 190 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

adblock plus is shilled and lets ads through.

ublock origin, folks. and firefox, because adblocking wont work on chromium anymore.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Someone should edit this image lol

[–] ours@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

ublock origin is so based, the dev doesn't even accept donations. He wants people to donate to the chads maintaining the lists his add-on uses instead.

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[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 27 points 3 months ago

ublock origin baby best adblocker ever

[–] SkyJuice@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I find using scripts in Tampermonkey better for YouTube and twitch ad blocking

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

There's a firefox extension that upgrades the twitch player and blocks ads. Can't remember the name but it was easy to find when I searched for it.

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[–] ClamDrinker@lemmy.world 94 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

I gave Premium a shot. Then the one time I wanted to use the feature Google said I was paying for - being able to download videos - I found out that it was just a glorified pre-buffer.

  • Can't view the video outside the youtube app or the website, source video file encrypted ✅️
  • Can't view the video if you havent connected to the internet in 3 days ✅️
  • Does less than your average youtube downloader that you can find for free with one search ✅️
  • Literally just saving Youtube bandwidth because they destroyed every benefit you would get if it was actually reasonable ✅️

Enshittification isnt just limited to free users folks. Slammed that cancellation button right then and there. Good luck earning back my trust, I'm happy to pay if you didnt scream so loudly that even if I paid, you were going to treat me like shit anyways.

[–] khaleer@sopuli.xyz 35 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Make sure that google can't kill you without consequences after you bought one month of their subscription.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 23 points 3 months ago

Ah yes, the Disney model

[–] Tja@programming.dev 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I pay for it and I like the perks. You are giving YouTube money, but also the creator of the video. And synchronizes the view with your account. And takes it into account for the dreaded "algorithm" (which I also find useful, plenty of cool channels discovered thanks to it).

What did you expect, exactly?

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Ever go to a video website, click a download button under a video, and NOT have that video in your downloads folder? Literally that. That's what i expect from a download button.

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[–] ClamDrinker@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I like those perks too, but if I pay more to be able to download videos (which again, I could've used a free tool for) I want to be able to do whatever I want with it. Download means getting a file I can watch using my own video player and store for later even if Youtube dies tomorrow, If I go on holiday without internet, or if my internet goes down for a week. Anything.

If Google is going to be "Uhm aksually, you are technically downloading it, thats why we can advertise it like that", then I'm already downloading literally every video I watch. And thats not the kind of bullshit you give to a paying customer. That is spitting in my face for paying you. Why does a non-Premium user get better service with free third party youtube downloaders?

It's a matter of principle.

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[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 54 points 3 months ago

I believe gorhill says to support the filter list maintainers

Ah yes: Why don't you accept donations?

[…] Have a thought for the maintainers of the various lists. These lists are everything. I can not emphasize this enough.

[–] Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee 50 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is the way, appeasement of ad producers doesn't work.

At some point number has to get bigger.

Before you know it were paying for cable tv with ads again.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Except this time we won't just be paying for the cable, we'll be paying to get the ads you want, too. You'll be paying for the DVR function or whatever they want.

As with everything else it will continue to degrade and enrage it's customers, and erode the entire country's very will to live. I am truly curious just how detrimental it is for everyone in this country to be exposed to the THOUSANDS of small fully intentional annoyances daily that are built into every product and service. It has to be a leading cause of how angry and divided we are and is absolutely causing many early deaths. Everyone is so stressed out by every single thing they interact with.

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[–] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Me but Vivaldi and Adnauseam.io.

Ads are a dystopian nightmare but for some reason nobody seems to care

[–] Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Consider switching to something Firefox based cause Adnauseam will break when google kills of manifest v2 in a month or something

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[–] Funkytom467@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Probably because unlike paying for the service, we don't feel how it takes our money from us.

A psychological trick that works so great that it made a lot of services exist in the first place like the whole of YouTube. And now we're kinda addicted to those too.

[–] PrimeErective@startrek.website 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Exactly. I hate when things say FREE!* (*With Ads), because you ARE paying for it. With your PRECIOUS TIME

[–] grue@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

With your PRECIOUS TIME

That's the least of it! What's worse is that you're paying with your MENTAL HEALTH, because by their nature, ads are designed to make you feel like something is wrong with your life (and that buying the product can fix it).

https://hbr.org/2020/01/advertising-makes-us-unhappy

https://www.mqmentalhealth.org/adding-to-the-problem-advertising-and-mental-health/

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/advertisings-toxic-effect-on-eating-and-body-image/

https://adfreecities.org.uk/what-we-do/advertising-mental-health/

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[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A single piece of merch from your favorite creator will cover for any ads you would have seen for the foreseeable future anyway

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[–] Korrok@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 3 months ago

I use ublock AND pay for... Nebula.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

YouTube: Has ads and sells your data like every other online service

Also YouTube: Doesn't pay creators much to the point where creators often have in-video advertisements but expects audiences on the platform to pay for an adless experience

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[–] floridaman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 3 months ago (8 children)

I'm a GenZ-er, and I adblock everywhere I can. What makes the difference with YouTube premium for me is that I fall asleep to YouTube videos on a TV every night, and the advertisements alone can make that experience terrible because you can't adblock YT on a TV as easily as elsewhere. Premium might be one of my best decisions I've made for a platform I spend so much time on. I still donate to Wikipedia and uBlock even if I pay the premium for other services.

[–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I still donate to ... uBlock

From https://ublockorigin.com/:

The uBlock Origin project still specifically refuses donations at this time

Who are you giving money to?

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 10 points 3 months ago

UBlock asks that you give to the blocklist maintainers.

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[–] Pueblo@feddit.org 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Depents on your tv. There are good ways for some. S-tube next works for android tv for example, there is a way for webos too

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[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Or... do both. Buy premium because you are actually getting something for your money... a platform. And support ad blockers to stop the ads where the product is just a webpage.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (10 children)

Yeah. I'm actually okay with paying for a service I use daily. Google does a bunch of evil shit to drive its advertising business, but the reality is that nothing is free and somebody has to pay somewhere.

We can pay with money or we can pay with ads and personal data.

What I would like to see is a law banning data collection for paid accounts. Because right now Google datarapes you even when you pay.

[–] amorangi@lemmy.nz 22 points 3 months ago

but the reality is that nothing is free and somebody has to pay somewhere.

Youtube gained its market share and stopped any competitors arising by offering a free video platform. Now that there isn't much hope for competition they have enshitified, plastering ads and demanding money. They endured massive loses for years just to kill competition. So boo fucking hoo when I continue using a monopolists products on the terms they originally offered.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (13 children)

A privacy law that only works for paying customers? I think we can do far better than that.

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[–] ynthrepic@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

There is still shit to block when you're paying for premium, so yeah.

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[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

me but ublock origin

how? The creator of uBlock origin doesn't take donations.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I don't believe for one single second that this will stay ad free. YouTube will eventually do like all the assholes do and have a tiered system where the first tier is simply less ads not none.

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[–] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (14 children)

Not gonna lie, I bit the bullet and got YT Premium almost 5 years ago. Honestly, one of the best purchases I've ever made in my adult life, hands down

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[–] umbraroze@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'll get YouTube premium once they fix their damn TV app.

  • If I resume playing a video from history, it often plays the ads, then re-plays them shortly after. (You know, at the point when it hit me with a fucking 55 second ad and I backed out and said fuck no, are you shitting me. Double points if the ad it tries to play again is also ridiculously long. I just keep refreshing it until it gives me 5 seconds to skip. I'm not much of a gambler, but this much I can gamble.)

Admittedly, this bug is not applicable to Premium. Being ad-skippy and all. But it's indicative of the overall quality of the app. For example:

  • When long-holding a video in all circumstances, I it should give me a full menu. Like, with the "go to the channel" option? ...doesn't give that to me in Subscriptions view. This might come as a surprise to YouTube, but I don't always like watching Whatever The Algorithm Feeds Me. I might, you know, choose to watch the 10 episodes I missed. To do that, I need to actually like to go to the channel in question.
  • ...Or any of the channels I like or are particularly interested at the moment. There's no way to pin this shit either.
  • Speaking of which, the fucking way to browse my subscriptions is fucking atrocious holy shit. It's useless. This is Google. They don't do user experience research. They half-ass everything.
  • On my smart TV, sometimes the buttons just fuck up. Sometimes I can't control this shit. Because my TV operating system was designed by particularly deranged people, they thought "closing" or "restarting" any given app was space technology that no average consumer can understand, so they reduced that to bare minimums: the only way to restart the app is to pull the plug. This is just fucking demeaning.

A collaboration between Google and Samsung, people! Two giant corps serving millions of users! And they expect us to pay monthly fee for this holy shit

...sorry for the rant.

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[–] disconnectikacio@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Use Smarttube instead on android tv and stbs Smarttube

For android phones, tablets: Tubular

In browser ublock blocks youtube ads, also invidious instances.

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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

to really support them, buy merch, subscribe to their patreon, make a donation via kofi... there are so many more viable ways to actually support your content creator than YT+.

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