"The good of the people" is a noble enough goal. Unfortunately, the people in charge of these movements are people who deliberately seek power, and for the most part, those people are vain greedy, brutal, a-holes.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For the most part? That's an empirical claim. Any evidence? My gut disagrees with you, but my gut also has no evidence.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It's not an empirical claim if you have literal examples of how badly "communism" (self-serving oligarchy) has failed.

I'll start with the collapse of the Soviet Union in the 1990s. And I hope I don't even need to point out what Mao did to China.

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[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 months ago

People = problem

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Capitalist countries have more free food available than communist countries do.

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[–] stingpie@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

Communist logix

we need to abolish private property so everybody has equal power.

we class of people to maintain public ownership

After all, how can we enforce public ownership without a more powerful class of enforcers?

[–] Awesomo85@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago

Having been the one who brought it up, (and since I got here first) I guess I will super duper reluctantly be the enforcer. I super don't want to y'all guys! But this is for the good of the collective!

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip -5 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Ok but socdem. And before you try to make a counter argument with [insert nordic country that is actually capitalist] just think about how they always call the ussr and china communist while they arent.

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[+] phoenixz@lemmy.ca -7 points 2 months ago (9 children)

You do understand we can make loads of those about communism as well?

Capitalism has caused untold horrors.

Have you seen what horrors communism has caused, though? Ever tried looking at history? Maybe read up on the great Chinese famine? Maybe read up on how communism started in Russia? You know, maybe watch the movie "the Chekist", great movie for those under the illusion that communism is a great thing. If your stomach can survive that movie, then yeah, you're a diehard who is perfect for the next regime

[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world -2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Authoritarianism != Communism

Communism is about the power of the working class, seizing the means of production, and self governance. No government has effectively put into practice communist practices because the concept of government itself is contrary to communism.

There's been a decades long movement in the US to demonise communism (and socialism) in favour of capitalism. There used to be overtly communist political groups in America.

Anyway, it's an interesting read. I highly recommend you read up about communism and what it stands for. Also capitalism because we're all more or less living in a crony capitalist world.

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