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Fedora's telemetry is planned to be OPT-OUT (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Raphael@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/55H3DT5CCL73HLMQJ6DK63KCAHZWO7SX/

However, we also want to ensure that the data we collect is meaningful, so gnome-initial-setup will default to displaying the toggle as enabled,even though the underlying setting will initially be disabled. (The underlying setting will not actually be enabled until the user finishes the privacy page, to ensure users have the opportunity to disable the setting before any data is uploaded.) This is to ensure the system is opt-out, not opt-in. This is essential because we know that opt-in metrics are not very useful. Few users would opt in, and these users would not be representative of Fedora users as a whole. We are not interested in opt-in metrics.

Essentially they're playing with words to say it's opt in but if you just click Next like most users will do, it'll be enabled. The developer openly admits few users would opt in and complains that it wouldn't be useful.

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[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

red hat, what are you doing

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

P R O F I T

[–] gobbling871@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That said, Fedora Legal has determined that if we collect any personally-identifiable data, the entire metrics system must be opt-in. Since we are only interested in opt-out metrics due to the low value of opt-in metrics, we must accordingly never collect any personally-identifiable data.

Looks like this statement contradicts with their goal.

[–] fhein@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

but if you just click Next like most users will do, it’ll be enabled

That's the definition of opt-out, so they're telling the truth :) Opt-out is the worse alternative when it comes to unwanted features, opt-in would have been better.

[–] Grouchy@lemmy.grouchysysadmin.com 1 points 1 year ago

That's lip service to privacy with spyware in reality.

[–] bbsm3678@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you know how this will affect existing installations? Is this gnome only or any desktop?

[–] shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

States the gnome-initial-setup. KDE is big on telemetry only being opt-in, so it seems like just the gnome environment. Or at least I hope I'm right...