I've been using a framework since the first edition they've released and it worked great. Theyve only gotten better since.
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Don't think you'd regret it. I can't speak for that one in particular, but I'm still running one of the DIY Kickstarter versions. Will probably replace it with another Framework (or maybe even just upgrade the components if I can).
I too am considering a framework 13, and am wondering the same. Hopefully someone will give some insight.
I've been cheering for Framework more or less since they first started shipping machines. I'm on MacOS and only use Linux on NUC-style machines and VMs, but if I was ever gonna buy a non-Mac laptop, I'd go to them.
I ran into some minor issues with mine running Fedora 41, all had workarounds.
- Sometimes the ports stop working properly, I have to pull out either the USB-C or USB-A expansion card and plug it back in and its fine. Scared me the first time it happened before and a reboot didn't fix it.
- I ran into full-system stutters that were actually related to PSR. I had to add
amdgpu.dcdebug_mask=0x410(remove the underscore, the word filter got a little overzealous) to my kernel command line since I couldn't listen to music without stuttering. Fascinating that the display having PSR problems caused audio stutters, but here we are. It's weird that others aren't running into this, but whatever. My battery life is worse with it off but at least the computer doesn't stutter anymore. - Obviously only some of the ports support USB4 so I run USB-C on both back ports and USB-A on both frontlier ports.
edit: can i just say that there are fewer more negative places than Phoronix comments, in general. I wouldn't take them too seriously.
For people with experience with any mobile 12th gen intel and the framework 13 AMD, can you quantify what you think the upgrade is worth or would it be better to wait for a refresh to the "ai" series if that ever happens.
I look at the price for board/ram/wifi upgrade and struggle to justify even though I expect the amd cpu to be cooler/quieter and have much better iGPU. I know it should easily outperform the steam deck in raw performance so with some scaling it should be reasonable for some light casual gaming but I don't have any experience with amd outside of desktop cpus and dedicated graphics. Every time I consider an upgrade it makes more sense to buy desktop upgrades and cope with the intel system for a few more years. I don't have a good use for the intel mainboard as it doesn't have much expansion, multiple ssd, pcie etc.
It's probably good if that is the sort of thing you are after, a laptop just isn't something I want to spend real money on myself.
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I've had one for a few months now and it works really well. The only issue that I've had was that I expected Linux to run well on it, but it seems like AMDs Linux support has been overstated, and gnome would crash entirely when browsing certain websites like Tumblr, I assume because of some poorly supported video format. Everything runs fine on windows and it's been a solid laptop so far. Obviously it's not going to be the best for gaming, but the integrated graphics will handle lighter workloads fine and I'm hoping that it'll save me money in the long run from the much cheaper cost of repairing vs having to buy a new laptop after 5 years.
What distro has given you trouble on gnome? I've had mine a couple weeks and it's been pretty solid on fedora (gnome)
I've mostly tried Fedora 40, I gave it another quick go after 41 with no improvement. Given that most other people haven't experienced it, and I've only had this issue with Tumblr specifically and no other website, I'm guessing that it must be an uncommon codec.
Huh, yeah.. I'm running fedora, whatever the latest is. Maybe my smoothest Linux experience yet. I don't use Tumblr but I think that codebase is probably ancient and also doesn't it do an infinite scroll? That could be part of the problem, that's a hard thing to perfect. Curious -- were you using chromium or Firefox? For me it's Firefox all the way. Seems to work great so far
I was using Firefox. I don't expect Tumblr to be well coded, but at most it should be able to freeze a single browser tab, if a tab can crash the entire desktop then that's a greater issue. I haven't had issues with tumblrs infinite scroll on other desktop situations, and while the crash happens at random I've had it happen within 30 seconds of opening a site if there's a video first thing. The dmesg logs indicate that the GPU driver gets upset about something and resets itself at the time of the crash.
Trying the Firefox flatpak, or not installing the nonfree drivers didn't make any change for me.
When looking at past reports of the crash I've seen some people report that things are fine on chrome but I'm not willing to make the change to see if that helps haha. It's not a massive deal but it bugs me that I have to remember what websites to ignore and I want an expensive laptop to be a stress free experience so I'll stick with windows and maybe give Linux another try every year or so to see if they can tempt me over yet.
You could also try using KDE Plasma instead of Gnome, which survives GPU resets.
Yeah you're right that a website shouldn't be able to cause that issue. I'm wondering if it's a hardware issue. I'll try to reproduce this later on and will report back. You said you have the current amd chip, framework 13 right?
Yep! The Ryzen 5 7640U. It's never immediately, it generally takes several minutes, maybe just bringing up a Tumblr page with a video and letting it loop for several minutes might hopefully do it, though, I've had a crash when Tumblr wasn't the active tab so you can multitask if you're fine with suddenly getting booted.
Yeah same machine I have. Forgive my ignorance -- I've actually not used Tumblr very much. Could you link me to a page with a looping video? Somehow I'm having trouble finding a non-gif video at the moment.
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