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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Just replace "woke" with "russian".

[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Authoritarianism is authoritarianism. Doesnt matter how you paint it.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 22 points 5 days ago (37 children)

Not really, no. To a capitalist, all forms of leftism is 'authoritarian,' because they consider private property natural and oppose leftists 'stealing' in.

'Authoritarianism' just isn't a particularly useful term because nobody who uses is is ever actually categorically opposed to forcefully compelling people to do or not do things. They will always have a build in exception for what ever they consider to be 'legitimate authority', and what they consider justified authority will just depend on what political philosophy they ascribe to. So really calling the word just means "someone with a different political theory to me with regards to legitimate authority."

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[–] prototype_g2@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 days ago

Why do the anti-authoritarians not confine themselves to crying out against political authority, the state? All Socialists are agreed that the political state, and with it political authority, will disappear as a result of the coming social revolution, that is, that public functions will lose their political character and will be transformed into the simple administrative functions of watching over the true interests of society. But the anti-authoritarians demand that the political state be abolished at one stroke, even before the social conditions that gave birth to it have been destroyed. They demand that the first act of the social revolution shall be the abolition of authority. Have these gentlemen ever seen a revolution? A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannon — authoritarian means, if such there be at all; and if the victorious party does not want to have fought in vain, it must maintain this rule by means of the terror which its arms inspire in the reactionists. Would the Paris Commune have lasted a single day if it had not made use of this authority of the armed people against the bourgeois? Should we not, on the contrary, reproach it for not having used it freely enough?


On authority, by Frederick Engels 1872

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm

[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 18 points 5 days ago

Its become the boomer equivalent of calling everything bad communist.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 62 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (17 children)

-- and they both punch left; exactly as conservatives like to do.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 days ago

The liberals are still doing this in 2025. We shouldn't really be surprised I spose.

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[–] Carl@lemm.ee 28 points 5 days ago (1 children)

True but only for terminally online liberals. I still haven't heard anyone in real life ever use that word.

[–] folaht@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It will happen in a few years from now.

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[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)
[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wikipedia has a good article about the term

If you think Hitler is bad, wait until you hear what he has to say about the soviets!

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

But seriously this is an argument that has been over since before anyone alive today was ever born

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm

authoritarianism = bad is literal baby brain

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

All it really boils down to is "supports AES," though. The article even says as much.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 52 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Truly. Any moderate support for AES? Immediately labeled a tankie, I've seen Anarchists and even Liberals labeled a tankie. The term only exists to punch left from the Liberal POV, just like "Woke" is used to punch anything left of fascism.

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 47 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Posting in a thread that will have 300 comments and 20 visible on hexbear

[–] DoiDoi@hexbear.net 50 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Probably for the best because if you click through to the .ml version you get worlders saying things like

I dunno, I perceive it more as a letft wing term for left-extremist fascists

Words mean nothing to these people lmao

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 33 points 6 days ago

It's a very silly place here.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 31 points 6 days ago (2 children)

.ml is the best instance because you get to see the comments from all other instances

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 37 points 6 days ago (5 children)

That also makes it a very draining instance where there is constant skirmishing, but the plus side is that it's a good frontier to try to push Leftist ideals for other instances to see.

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 27 points 5 days ago
[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 6 days ago (15 children)

Do MLs consider anarchists liberals now?

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[–] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 21 points 5 days ago (31 children)

Tankie doesn't really mean anything to me anymore. Even self-proclaimed tankies often have trouble defining it in a way that is consistent among leftist groups.

[–] DoiDoi@hexbear.net 26 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

A tankie is anyone to the left of whoever is using the pejorative. Usually because they expressed a critique of imperialism or aren't sufficiently racist towards the Chinese.

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