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[–] itsralC@lemm.ee 32 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I always like to point out how there's art of these two characters fucking by the same author

[–] __nobodynowhere@sh.itjust.works 19 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] Opisek@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago

Make love not war?

[–] taxiiiii@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

I mean, I was super curious what Sanders could've done if he had the chance. Instead, we got the opposite experiment.

If democrats in the US vote for stuff like Biden, then they're not voting for any radical change. Trump isn't comparable to that.

[–] ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

Oddly enough people say that they voted for these policies for change. It’s a mess.

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[–] SoulWager@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

What would it take to pass a constitutional amendment for ranked choice voting, or any other voting system without a spoiler effect?

Spoiler: not by voting

[–] cabbagewitch@lemm.ee 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Congressional Democratic Majority and the same in most state legislatures. Its functionally impossible to pass an amendment at this point.

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[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Americans voted for Biden because the primary system heavily favored Biden and Americans were told Biden was "more electable" than Bernie, even though every one of Bernie's policies and his messaging polled better.

If the DNC didn't put their thumbs on the scale, Bernie would have won in 2016 (or 2020), and guaranteed a democratic victory in the next election because nobody receiving free healthcare is going to vote to go back to the current system.

Bernie isn't radical, he's a social democrat, he just looks radical because the democrats are right of George W Bush right now.

[–] taxiiiii@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I get it and I don't disagree, but- Well, I for one wouldn't mind some radical change. Just not in the direction that it is going right now. Radical in itself is nothing bad, when the status quo is as bad as it is.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 14 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

If democrats in the US vote for stuff like Biden, then they’re not voting for any radical change

I don't exactly know the details, but weren't there accusations of meddling from the DNC that stoppered Sanders' chance of securing the nomination, and a belief among some that he might have won the nomination if it had been a free and fair primary process?

In other words, it's possible (though by no means certain) that your sentence above works if "democrats" means "the DNC and the establishment of the Democratic Party", but not if it means "people who by-and-large support the Democratic Party".

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 17 points 22 hours ago

The Dems did some delegate fuckery where all candidates endorsed Biden because ~~Bernie~~ Trump had to be stopped at all cost, and their delegates went to Biden even if he hadn't been voted for. Kamala contributed all of her 0 delegates and got VP for being ~~a cop~~ the first to drop out iirc.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Still nothing

Courts wouldn’t even let Biden offer student loan relief

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 12 points 23 hours ago (35 children)

They were only able to because of the way he went about it. He could have simply ordered the Department of Education to immediately forgive the loans and erase any record of the debt, and dared the SCOTUS to order him to create new debts (which he could simply ignore).

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[–] taxiiiii@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Probably, but I'd only believe that there is really nothing to be done once I see someone actually left-leaning attempt everything in their toolbox.

I believe Sanders would have tried to change as much as possible in the US. I also believe that he would have failed regarding a lot of things. Would have really liked to see him try though.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 day ago
[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 103 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Democrats so afraid of being wrong they don't even try to do what's right.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 17 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

You misunderstand their incentives. They're beholden to the billionaires, not to you.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That's not their purpose, they just need to look the part. They are comfortable in the 'my hands are tied' position. They can propose bills they know will not make it. When they have a supermajority, like they had not long ago, they are in trouble. They have no choice but to stop proposing bills and find reasons to say they are 'sabotaged'. They played this game for centuries, still works.

[–] Charapaso@lemmy.world -2 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

When they have a supermajority, like they had not long ago, they are in trouble.

The last true supermajority I'm aware of only lasted 72 days, back in 2009. It's when the Fair Pay act was signed, Affordable Care Act, and a few different attempts to reform Wall Street. They were certainly not as life-changing as I'd like, but I'm admittedly pretty far to the Left of the average US voter.

The even stronger supermajority before that was in 1965, and that got the creation of Medicare & Medicaid, the Voting Rights Act, Freedom of Info Act, etc.

The Dems are a weak centrist party, and the leadership is center-right at best, but even so - those two times where they had a supermajority in the Senate gave us some good to at least quasi-good stuff. I'm totally on board for bashing the Democrats, but it's hard to convey the amount of damage the truly undemocratic Senate has done over the decades, and I think we can't avoid the reality that there was a lot that got done in that brief period when the Republicans couldn't stop them. The ability to block legislation in the Senate is just incredible. Things just can't get passed, unless it's something the Republicans will agree to - so it's far easier for shitty stuff to get passed. Unfortunately, there are enough right wing democrats that will go along with the shitty stuff the Republicans propose, in no small part because their constituents actually like it. We're losing the propaganda war, because those with capital have far more power to wield.

So there's a lot of problems to fix - deeply undemocratic institutions like the Senate and the Electoral College, the entirety of the GOP, weakass right-wing Democrats, and the voters themselves. Unfortunately, yeah...the interests of Capital have intervened and made sure to cripple Education and control the media landscape, so to get back to my main point, since I'm losing the thread here - I'm agreed that the Democrats are shit, but we can't ignore reality that when they've had actual full control of the Federal government, things were at least going in a decent direction.

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[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 7 points 22 hours ago

They can propose bills they know will not make it.

they actively work to ensure don't make it. Manchin, Sinema and others like them are greatly valued by Dems for their role as scapegoats.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

They in this case being libs in liberal democracies, not democrats specifically.

One way to resolve the contradiction between the capitalist class, which the state represents, and the masses, whom the state requires to maintain power is for the masses to believe their representatives want what's best for them, but are powerless to implement it due to foreigners or nature or some other group, or are trying and it will happen some indeterminate time in the future.

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[–] Mouette@jlai.lu 33 points 1 day ago

They are not afraid of being wrong. They don't actually care about your well being, they are just here to make money for their corporate friends and themselves.

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[–] fatur0000new@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"You have to understand there's only so much I can do in this position"

Meanwhile, one of their former members named Huey Long: "Now I dynamite 'em out of my path"

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 69 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (36 children)

Really though, beyond the Dems doing something legislatively, could you imagine if the party actually utilized it's network for direct action campaigns. Not that their donors or upper middle class members would be copacetic to any actual economic disruption. I mean christ, the Senate leader doesn't even want to let the Republicans shut down the government while they're busy dismantling it. Their current strategy is to appeal by saying they can bring back business as usual. Unfortunately they don't seem to understand that appearing ineffectual turns centrists off even more than appearing radical does.

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[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Yall been taking the bait for years. Dems succeed on your fears. Why would they eliminate them?

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