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[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 18 hours ago (24 children)

Meanwhile, socialist Norway's wealth fund could maintain everyone's standard of living for 400 years if they stopped working right now.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 2 points 15 hours ago

Norway is a capitalist country. It us an OECD hanger-on to the US-led imperialist world order.

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[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

"All classes working together" as a counterpoint to socialism? Where have I heard of this before.....?

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[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 18 hours ago (6 children)

Wait, isn't socialism all about class solidarity? "Working together regardless of class to fight a common enemy" sounds more like nationalism where at the end the upper class profits most. Unless we are talking about a classless society but that's not "regardless of class" but "with no class distinction" which sounds very similar when I think about it.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 5 points 14 hours ago

Socialism is about making the working class the ruling class. It is explicitly about oppressing the bourgeois class, which is itself the current ruling class oppressing the working (and other) classes. The idea is to take the means of production and run it for ourselves rather than the profit of a class defined by merely owning factories, buildings, tools, etc.

The cartoon may be confused.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 9 points 18 hours ago

Sounds more like social democracy, which can include managed capitalism and cooperation between workers and owners. To a degree.

[–] brisk@aussie.zone 4 points 15 hours ago

Every character there is working class, so I'm imagining in this case "regardless of class" is implicitly "regardless of perceived class"

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago (14 children)

Socialism is about the government playing a central role in the economy to ensure wealth and resources are distributed more fairly, rather than being concentrated in the hands of corporations or individuals. Socialism can still allow for private businesses and a market economy, but key industries and services are often publicly controlled to prevent excessive inequality.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 4 points 14 hours ago

Socialism is not about the government's size. Socialists, particularly Marxists, emphasize using the state and nationalization after proletarian revolution to reflect the working class' interests and build socialism, but the size of the state itself is not what makes something socialist, both because (1) socialists seek to eventually end the state itself once productive forces and consciousness are sufficiently advanced and (2) capitalist states can also have large governments, generally to serve the interests of the ruling class, albeit sometimes in a roundabout way.

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[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 0 points 12 hours ago

What if was socialism, but for a nation? What could go wrong? /s

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[–] Commiunism@beehaw.org 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

"if we all work together regardless of class" collaborationism is bourgeoisie propaganda and is not tolerated here, Comrade. Please face the wall.

[–] match@pawb.social -1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

america is a classless society because even the upper class is still powerless in the face of the corporatocracy

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

How come you picked that instance over tankietube?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Oh they give 20 gigs of space, I made a tankietube account after but already started posting on this instance so just kept going with it.

[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Tankietube has unlimited storage

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 15 hours ago

oh nice, I'll start posting on there at some point

[–] blade_barrier@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

"All classes working together" is called capitalism

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[–] blade_barrier@lemmy.ml -3 points 10 hours ago

The mob is absolutely right

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 1 points 18 hours ago (9 children)

Of course, you could just talk about "Tax The Rich" or "Bring Back the New Deal" but then how could people know you read Karl Marx?

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It's the opposite, actually.

The people who talk about "tax the rich" or the New Deal don't actually do anything, they are armchair activists who have no real idea of how they would ever accomplish this outside of pretending the Democratic Party, which constantly opposes them and crushes such ideas, is the vehiclr, and the way to make it happen is complaining on the internet.

Communists know that actually addressing our collective problems is a much more difficult task, nothing less than the overthrow of capitalism, something that would need to survive attempts at cooption by liberal power structures like the aforementioned party. So we build from the ground up, educating one another and developing practice so that we can balance growth, education, and having impact through actions. We go to the meetings, we run the meetings, we teach one another, we organize the protests and marches, we build the strategic mutual aid events, we embed with workers' spaces and unions, we embed with and build from within the marginalized so as to be of them. Communist organizing is adding a part-time job on top of your other obligations.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee -2 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

Yes, we should definitely not have something like Sweden or the old New Deal. We should let children grow up in poverty, let old people suffer, and let the planet burn while we sit around discussing Trotsky and the Second International in hopes that the revolution will come.

iirc de La Cruz got less than 100,000 votes.

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[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (7 children)

I've been thinking a lot recently about how to rephrase socialist ideals as capitalist bills for the sake of America.

I want to propose a "Proof of Economic Viability Bill" somewhere if I can find the right influence point.

Basically, financial advisors suggest that people should pay no more than 30% of their income towards living expenses. Knowing that the vast majority of Americans only have income from their primary job, this means that any business should be expected to pay no less than 30% of their income, evenly divided across the entire workforce (cart pusher to CEO), as a "living expense allotment" to prove they can afford to pay their workers enough to live and stay afloat. This will push out companies who are doomed to fail because of a lack of available workforce, allowing more economically viable options to reign king.

Edit to add: you can make this sound a little nicer to the maga crowd by telling them they can reduce wages by doing this. I don't necessarily care that you're paying minimum wage as long as you can afford to put your worker in a home and fill their stomach.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Stop using polysyallabic words like "proletariat" when trying to appeal to the American working class who read at a 5th grade level.

Seriously. Like the guy in Severance said. Apologize for the word. It's too long.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

No no, you just have to use the right ones that they like. The "magic words" so to speak. Investors really like "economic viability" because it means they can instantly look at a company and see if they can make money off it. Politicians just so happen to be interested in a lot of the same things as investors for some reason.

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[–] LiamTheBox@lemmy.ml -1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
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