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screenshot, probably from Ex-Twitter but I saw it on NOSTR, showing a guy saying that training a zoomer to use a PC at work is as difficult as training a boomer, with a reply indicating that there is only one generation that can rotate a PDF and that knowledge dies with us

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[–] ganymede@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

just want to add, it's not the zoomer's fault. they were intentionally raised in ignorance because its apparently profitable

fuck the corporations who've deliberately turned our living computers into soulless commercial brainwashing surveillance machines

[–] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago

It's their parents fault for not using GNU/Linux

[–] emberpunk@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Don't blame the people, they often cant get a mobile and tablet and computer... blame the awful corporations who made everything an app and pushed locked down mobile and tablets environments

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The key concept they're missing a lot of the time is that software sits within the file system and not the other way around.

This is largely because apps hide this and data is generally stored in one place on your phone (the downloads folder).

Best way to fix it - have 1--2 lessons entirely devoted to finding shit on their computer. My favourite activity is "ok, save your word file, close word, you now have 10 mins to find that file without opening word".

[–] toddestan@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

I'd at least start them with something simple like Paint or Notepad. Once they have that down, then you can throw the disaster that is the MS Office file save dialog at them.

[–] PiJiNWiNg@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (12 children)

An unfortunate consequence of developers playing to the lowest common denominator of users for the last twenty years. Everything has been designed to be as easy and intuitive as possible for mobile, and troubleshooting skills have suffered as a result.

Not to mention that phones are crazy powerful and can do virtually everything these days, so fewer and fewer people are buying PCs.

If the general population is indeed "going backwards" in regards to tech literacy, it seems like demand for IT services is going to spike in the coming years. Good thing to keep in mind for young people choosing a career path!

[–] HandMadeArtisanRobot@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I would point out that while general computer use has gotten easier, doing anything advanced has gotten much harder.

I'm glad my grandma can send memes, but I can't figure out where an app is saving my files because everything is a walled garden!

[–] PiJiNWiNg@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

I almost added this as a point in my original comment, but you're absolutely right, and its happening in other industries too (auto, for example). Its really tough to troubleshoot things you lack the permissions to fix.

[–] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Lifelong Android user here. I don't know where an app saves its files (not to personal folders, but app-private folder) even it's rooted. I'm glad this protects me from malwares but it also forbids me to put my device in full control.

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

My most recent job hunt has me thinking the same. I used to be a dime a dozen, and young folks were real and serious competition in the job market, but I’ve been in IT since before the .com crash and now my skills are once again becoming unique.

I’ve been raising my kids, warning them about the shit state of IT. Maybe I should have been nerding them harder.

[–] PiJiNWiNg@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I will say, I would not want to be a software developer right now, but systems support is generally pretty stable (and less likely to be replaced by AI any time soon)

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[–] nargis@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Messing around with your old WinXP/95 computer and then fixing that mess before your parents come home and scold you does wonders to one's troubleshooting skills. People of this generation never got to hear that scary XP error sound, and it shows.

[–] Bohurt@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

Fun fact: Windows XP had cool day 0 loophole that saved my my ass. Once I decided to explore new options and I stumbled upon new and cool feature: setting a password. The only issue with it was that I've forgotten it half an hour later. I already knew 'admin' word so I used it in hackerman style and I logged in and I was able to reverse old password. This loophole was patched with first service pack but I still giggle when I remind myself of that.

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[–] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

The paradigm has changed. The rift between PC and smart phone. Is it really a surprise? My 18yr step kid can at least type on a keyboard with proficiency. Beyond that and installing games in steam, he's lost outside of that. Both I and his mom work in IT. We try to shore up the gaps, but it seems the 'kid' actively refuses to learn.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The working class should hold the bulk of the wealth.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

"Should" is doing all the work in that sentence

[–] Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

More work than the 1% will ever do.

[–] Grofit@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

The challenges thst existed to use technology no longer exist, so there is no longer a reason to look under the hood for most people. It's like how a lot of generations after boomers don't know about how to change a tyre or spark plugs etc, cars got more reliable and industries created services to stop you needing to worry about that stuff.

As a kid I remember WANTING to play games with a friend on PC, he knew we needed a null modem cable and we went to pc shop 2 towns over got one and tried to figure out how to play together using it. Then when the Internet came out and we had to fight against Internet connection sharing so one computer could share Internet with friends pc. Trying to use no-cd patches just so we didn't need to keep grabbing cds to play games etc.

There were so many things you learnt back then but it was because we had no alternative, I get why tech knowledge has vanished and I don't blame them, they have had no need to solve the same problems and haven't grown with technology, it's been already established and they have had no need to concern themselves with it.

Problem is the working world still heavily needs PC skills and basic analytical ability so there needs to be more focus on those old "computer driving license" style courses so people can certify they know how to find a file and end task when something hangs.

[–] Wolfram@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I'm an older zoomer but still a zoomer. Its a crazy dynamic seeing people my age and younger just not getting IT stuff. There's a high ratio of older to younger people where I've worked in IT too.

[–] DoubleSpace@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Xennials are fascinating to watch navigate through tech hurdles. They have a custom built toolbox built purely through trial and error.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I think you misspelled experience.

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

As an autodidact xennial, I'll take that as a compliment.

DOS, Windows, all the format C:'s in my time, it's all been trial and error as you say, because there weren't really anything on the line in the 90s and early 00s.

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