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I realized my VLC was broke some point in the week after updating Arch. I spend time troubleshooting then find a forum post with replies from an Arch moderator saying they knew it would happen and it's my fault for not wanting to read through pages of changelogs. Another mod post says they won't announce that on the RSS feed either. I thought I was doing good by following the RSS but I guess that's not enough.

I've been happily using Arch for 5 years but after reading those posts I've decided to look for a different distro. Does anyone have recommendations for the closest I can get to Arch but with a different attitude around updating?

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[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 67 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've been an Arch user for about 15 years now, and I've never posted to the forums. Not because I'm great at this and don't break things. I constantly break things and need to fix them. I don't ask questions there because before you'll get any help you are going to get sat down and explained (in great detail sometimes) how you are the stupidest piece of shit on Earth.

[–] Shayeta@feddit.org 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I posted on the Arch forums ONCE. Didn't get a single reply, lol. Actually had to open an issue on the upstream git repo to get any info.

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[–] ragas@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

Use Gentoo, as it is way more stable and can do anything that Arch can.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 73 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

OpenSUSE TUMBLEWEED, always updating, but they have an OpenQA tool that checks the builds for success, and if for some reason something did go bad you just reboot and pick the previous (automatic) snapshot. Lots of GUI tools to manage the system and packages via the various Yast2-GUI apps.

[–] Stewbs@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

+1 for Tumbleweed. It's a rolling release distro without (most of) the hassle and YaST is a fantastic utility which you can use to do many things. Nice graphical stuff to help you configure things like backup. Never had any breakages so far with Tumbleweed :)

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[–] juipeltje@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you don't want to get into the rabbit hole that is NixOS (which is a distro i also like), then i would say void linux, if you still want that arch minimalism. Void is a rolling release, but it's more like a slow roll if that makes sense and focuses on stability. It's package manager is also rock solid, fast, and can update even when the system hasn't been updated in ages. If you've done a manual install of arch before, you'll probably breeze through the install process as well, since it is a guided ncurses installer.

[–] raposo@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

I second that, void is a solid and stable rolling distro.

[–] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 3 days ago (12 children)

Arch is really for those who like to troubleshoot and actively maintain things when they break.

I’m pretty decent with linux and for the most part, I can fix arch when it breaks, but I don’t have the time for that. For that reason, I use Fedora and recommend mint.

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[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

People are not gonna like this at all but I've been using manjaro for years and it's been pretty solid for me.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was going to say that Manjaro will have the same issue in a short while because they delay the updates a little bit but follow them, so VLC will get split in Manjaro too, but someone already commented that it has already happened

[–] ILikePigeons@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

Yup, it happened to me, installing necessary vlc plugins fixed the issue.

[–] tehfishman@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I encountered this same VLC issue on Manjaro this week, so YMMV.

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[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 40 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Fedora, great blend of bleeding edge and stability. Plus Linus uses it, so what better praise could you get.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hope we're talking about that Linus, and not that Linus. You know, the one that works with computers, and not the other one that works with computers.

[–] seralth@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Linus is about as far from a normal user as you can get and using him as a measuring stick if anything should be indication of the worse option for normal users...

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[–] heythatsprettygood@feddit.uk 13 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Can definitely recommend Fedora too. Software updates are at a good pace, and the system has a lot of polish all around. For example, all you need to do for updates is to press "update" in Discover and it'll do everything for you, applying on reboot for stability. Most things "just work".

[–] fushuan@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Discover is a KDE thing, not a fedora thing. Not fedora exclusive.

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[–] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

After having a similar feeling as yours I went for NixOS.

My thoughts then : if it breaks I can rollback, and the unstable channel is quite comparable to what arch offers.

Now : I've moved to stable channel, because it's updated enough and allows me to only deal with breaking changes twice a year. Moving to NixOS was time consuming (but fun) because it required to rewrite all my dotfiles and learn something new.

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[–] BETYU@moist.catsweat.com 20 points 3 days ago (4 children)

https://endeavouros.com/ https://garudalinux.org/ both arch based maybe you will like the forum style better and they will probably also give you this information.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I doubt the forum style is really the issue.

EndeacourOS, one of my favourite distros, uses the same packages (the real Arch ones). So everything he says here applies.

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[–] XenoK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

+1 for Garuda. It's nice that they have their own way of updating (garuda-update), which also handles situations like this one. It was very satisfying to not have to do anything when the linux-firmware change happened a couple of weeks back.

Oh, also snapshots by default are a chef's kiss

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[–] Undaunted@feddit.org 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I can totally understand that. In case you still want to give it a chance, I can highly recommend EndeavorOS. It's basically pre-styled, pure Arch. But it has a welcome dialog, where you have a warning banner at the top if you need to be careful regarding an update. This directly links you to their Gitlab and forum with the steps you'd need to take to not break anything. This saved me multiple times already and I never broke my system, despite not even reading the Arch RSS feed or changelogs.

Besides the EndeavorOS forum is waaaay friendlier compared to the Arch one.

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[–] pyssla@quokk.au 0 points 1 day ago

Off-topic: A meta-analysis if you will, but I'm just astonished by the engagement this post has received. I wonder what this tells us about the Linux community on Lemmy.


On-topic: OP, honestly, others have chimed in and left very good answers already. So perhaps you won't find anything within my comment that hasn't been said. But, as I'm a latecomer to this thread, I might have an advantage that some didn't (try to capitalize on). To be blunt, the original post didn't reveal much about what you liked and didn't like about Arch. As such, my initial impression would have been to suggest Gentoo. But, you've since provided the engaging community crucial insights that help us in grasping the full picture. Below you may find my own notes on your distro preferences based on what you said:

  • care-free updates
  • repo packages receive updates shortly after upstream
  • rewards effort put into initial setup

Furthermore, I'll take the liberty to assume that (native) package availability is expected to be vast. And that you wish for the process of updating to be snappy.

Based on the above, I recommend NixOS.

If jumping ship to NixOS seems too daunting, then consider installing Nix^[To be clear, I meant the package manager. Determinate System's installer is probably your best option.] on Arch. Consider to slowly but surely expand its usage within your system. And, then, when you're comfortable, embrace NixOS as a worthy successor to your Arch installation.

[–] archy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It didn't break my system. I refused the update, installed qt6-phonon-backend-mpv, updated the system, and uninstalled everything VLC related. Even though I don't use the backend there are no VLC packages that I don't need

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.zip 31 points 3 days ago (9 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_astonishment

Someone should inform whoever made that change. If a package is split in a new release, the initial state should match the final as closely as possible, in this case by installing the new optional dependencies automatically. (Although I'm not sure why they'd want to split everything out like that anyway; no other VLC distribution does that, so splitting is itself a violation.)

Maybe Manjaro might be an alternative? I haven't personally used it. I don't like this kind of surprise, so I stick to boring distros like Debian. I used to use CentOS but it was too boring.

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[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 20 points 3 days ago

I use Debian, for the stability.

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 25 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Sorry for not answering your questions, I haven't used arch before. But dang that sucks I've been wanting to try arch for a little while but I didn't know they would happily push updates they know will break certain programs.

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[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'd recommend opensuse tumbleweed. It's still a rolling distribution, it still has more bleeding edge software, but its package manager, zypper, does atomic updates, so if something doesn't install right it rolls it back.

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