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Games on Linux are great now this is why I fully moved to Linux. Is the the work place Pc's market improving.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 days ago

A universeal and thought out accessibility system. Best with kernel support.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago

Games are still not perfect. Multiple screens can be really finicky if they have different resolutions and refresh rates.

[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)
  • Needs to come pre-installed on computers.
  • Pre-installed distro needs to support one-click installation (like .app or .exe).
  • Pre-installed distro needs to have be easily searchable (for problems, and e.g. searching "chrome DISTRO_NAME" needs to pop up with a link to the one-click installer).
  • Pre-installed distro needs to run perfectly out-of-the-box, no fiddling with drivers, no needing to issue a random shell command for some random issue.
  • UI needs to be intuitive. Probably something like KDE. Could maybe do Elementary or GNOME with dash-to-dock or something.
  • Updates should be easy. Ideally apps can self-update or the apps will indicate if they need an update and have a button opening up an updater that can update all your apps/the OS.
  • Updates for minor programs need to be hidden/rolled into OS updates. Most people aren't gonna want to see that glibc updated.
  • Better management of stuff like VPNs (probably not important for the average user, but e.g. NetworkManager's GUI support is kinda shit).
  • If using GNOME, need to have app indicator stuff pre-installed (if I'm being honest, the fact it's not built-in is absurd).
  • Needs to come with good basic apps. Some of the default apps included with DEs are kinda shit. There is still no truly good mail client IMO (at least that doesn't look dated AF).

Probably more.

EDIT: Something like Lutris should probably be integrated into the OS. Installing non-Steam games is a minor hassle at the moment IMO.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Pre-installed distro needs to support one-click installation (like .app or .exe).

This defeats a lot of what makes Linux secure. The main reason you don't get malware is because you never run untrusted binaries from the internet and you install everything from trusted sources like your package manager. A non tech savvy person doing this will inevitably hit one of the super rare Linux malware in the wild. Clueless person downloads the wrong installer is the model malware entry case. I also don't see a benefit of just having an app store, you can even show proprietary software by default as long as they can be turned off (I suspect the main reason for one click installation is for downloading proprietary software).

[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Personally, basically no one I know uses the app stores on windows or macos much. These app stores are actually functional in that they have proprietary apps and allow purchases. There is basically 0 chance Linux will become popular if you can only install things through an app store (especially those that make it hard/impossible to buy proprietary apps). Additionally, desktop Linux is not particularly secure anyway. Flatpaks are helpful here, but most require manual tuning of their sandbox to actually be secure, which the average user is 100% not gonna do. On top of this, what do you do when an app is not available in your curated app store? Do you download it directly online? Do you trust some random repository you find online that can be filled with who knows what at a later point? Or do you just say "oh well sucks to be you I guess?" If you download it directly online, then it may not even have dependency information. If it doesn't embed dependency information, then it's basically useless to your average person. It also has the problem you mentioned of someone downloading the wrong executable. Likewise, the other two options are IMO just not viable.

IMO, the only way for a package manager/app store solution to work is:

  1. The platform is built around it from day 1
  2. The platform has a large number of developers submitting their packages to it (as opposed to the distro maintainers having to track down changes themselves)
  3. The app store has payment methods
  4. The app store has proprietary apps
  5. The app store has a large number of reviewers that can check the apps submitted in a timely manner
  6. Probably bundling dependencies with the apps.
  7. The app store has a functional review system with users actually leaving reviews.
  8. Going along with the reviews, going through the app store (as opposed to using the package manager directly) may need to be a requirement to encourage reviews, at least at first.

Basically, it needs to be an iOS/Android situation, with a similarly large company backing it. I should also note that it's possible to install malware on iOS/Android, just harder, and the scope is usually less severe because of sandboxing.

EDIT: Also, it's entirely possible to do one-click installs in a "safe" way, by requiring that developers get their apps signed by whoever makes the distro (like macos gatekeeper or whatever it's called).

EDIT 2: I should also note that just being "different" is enough for people not to use something. If something basic, like the way to install apps, is different enough, people may just decide they don't like it. My relatives would likely do this, for instance.

[–] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 3 points 4 days ago

I think the big problem is no Ubuntu circa 2010 distro anymore that "just works" ala netbooks of the era. Only Fedora has Ubuntu in 2010-level hardware support for actual modern hardware, but no Broadcom wifi sans internet and you will need to google for and execute like 40 lines of random cli commands that seem to add the same 3 codecs 14 ways apiece to make HEVC work (more for VLC HEVC ironically). Ubuntu does Broadcom wifi out of the box, but has gotten bad and has poor hardware support overall for new hardware. Mint has the best printer support, but as of 22.1 no longer does Broadcom wifi out of the box... SteamOS is actually really great -- and has MARKEDLY better hardware support for dongles and such than Bazzite, no comparison, and Bazzite suffers from Fedora's shit HEVC situation PLUS immutable distro BS where it DOES use system .so's but is in denial -- but isn't a real distro...

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] conorab@lemmy.conorab.com 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

For the vast majority of users Linux is just a worse deal. Only thing that really comes to mind that Linux does that users care about is that it will support that hardware that Windows 11 will leave behind, and even those users will happily just run Windows 10 without updates and if that bites them in the ass then maybe they’ll upgrade or just ask their IT friend to use a bypass to make Windows 11 at least work on their old hardware.

Otherwise, of the things users actually care about, Linux has worse app support to the point that even pro-Linux users would rather dual-boot that lose access to their games and worse hardware support. Linux also has a problem of not being well understood by a lot of tech folk so if you bring somebody onboard you better be ready to be their only point of support.

ChromeOS is probably the best example against this since it is basically just a browser, the laptops it sells on are substantially better value than their budget counterparts and realistically a lot of the people buying them are parents for their kids so the user’s preference is substantially pushed aside in favour of cost. The SteamDeck is another good counter-example since it essentially refuses to compete with the PC gaming market by calling itself a handheld.

Linux is stuck in the crappy position of needing more users to get more software and hardware support but users need better software and hardware support for Linux to make sense compared to Windows. It’s getting better and Valve’s efforts have steadily brought the Linux gaming percentage up but it’s still the enthusiast OS.

By all means encourage it’s usage though. Linux is a far more open and privacy-respecting option and the more tech folk and basic-usage users that adopt it the better!

[–] obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago

I think the hardware compatibility issues may be overstated. It seems (to me) that besides apple silicon, the support for most consumer hardware is pretty robust. this seems especially true of the kinds of hardware casuals use. Im not a tester, but havent seen a dell, hp, or Lenovo with a hardware issue in ages.

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[–] MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

I'm still seeing YouTube comments about having to use the terminal for everything. I mainly use it for btop

[–] Drathro@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

Some small but important taken-for-granted things functioning like screen and audio sharing/recording in wayland. Yes, I know sometimes with some apps/distros it works. But it needs to work all the time on all reasonably current hardware everywhere. Wayland is getting there, but we're still a ways off and X11 has its own issues. It feels like we're 80% of the way there for feature parity and stability vs Windows and MacOS, but this last 20% stretch is feeling like an eternity. The bugginess and lack of features stretches to multi-monitor support as well. Plus we've got a bunch of distros threatening off and on to remove 32bit libraries, which would really hamper software support that's already anemic to begin with... There's no one single blockbuster issue. It's just little everyday things that produce just enough friction to keep the unwashed masses away.

[–] mathias_freire@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I guess it would be reducing the need of terminal usage as much as possible. That's still the only thing a common user struggles with, in my opinion. The rest is just difference or has nothing to do with Linux.

With Linux gaming is rising currently, most common problem is kernel anti-cheat games and it's not Linux problem, for example. What are devs supposed to do? To develop literal Windows kernel compatibility layer or something? But Linux may do stuff on their end to make cheating difficult to keep game studio's happy but that would also mean to stray away from its philosophy. As a general platform, it would be hard to do this anyway. This would be possible per distro basis. Maybe Linux dev circles are already discussing this, maybe not, I don't know honestly.

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 days ago (6 children)

offer less choice and have an official version of things.

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[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

For non-enterprise users only two things:

  1. Zero reasonably priced options for support when things go wrong.
  2. Breaking changes caused by updates that make that support necessary.

If my neighbor's Windows or Apple machine breaks they can call Microsoft or Apple, the PC manufacturer or a bunch of different support providers. Microsoft provides free support if one of their updates causes problems.

I can't find any Linux support aimed at home users, only very expensive enterprise support options.

[–] anon5621@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Have u ever talked to tech support of microsoft as usual user? With such quality ofsupport it would be better that it would none,in the end all their support coming please reboot computer.

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Most of the people I know are computer illiterate. They know nothing about PC's and don't care to learn because they think of PCs as appliances. They want word processing, email, photos, and web, and don't give a damn what's going on under the hood. Microsoft support is generally pretty bad, but it's far better than none at all.

That lack of any support (except me) is the only reason I haven't moved friends and family to Linux.

[–] anon5621@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

Personally for elderely people I installed mint once and forgot it they using laptops from windows 7 era and they were getting dozens of ads malware so I was to reinstall os almost every half year now this problem gone entirely

[–] dysprosium@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

You can call Microsoft? I thought Microsoft called me

[–] stavefajl@feddit.dk 3 points 4 days ago

Hello this is da virus techneetiian fwom da Microsoft.

It's amazing how much damage those scammers cause.

Last year I ran into a retired neighbor at Staples buying a new laptop because her existing machine had been hacked. She came back after leaving it running to find someone was logged in remotely. They drained $8k from her retirement account. Turned out 6 months earlier she got a call from "Microsoft" asking to connect to her machine because they "noticed it had a problem."

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I think it's more users need to realize that an OS that is easier to use in every way is not a more difficult OS to use.

But also, I'm okay gatekeeping Linux, as bringing the masses over just means enshitification and turning it into Windows again. Fuck that.

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