Maybe I’ve been on lemmy too long. So confused on who liberals are anymore.
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it comes down to capitalism vs socialism.
progressive + capitalist = liberal
progressive + socialist = leftist
Well. That one makes sense. So I’m leftist….. prepares for hate
leftist is pretty vague still because others are leftist too but each other's mortal enemies like like anarchists and communists.
you have to study political theories to understand what they actually mean. most people calling themselves leftist in the united states are democrat-socialist because they don't understand what socialism is due to not reading any sort of political theory.
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Lemmy is primarily developed by Marxist-Leninists, and we have a ton of Marxists and anarchists in general. You aren't going to get hate for being a leftist unless you're on a more liberal instance.
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Liberal means you support capitalist rule over society, and also their preferred model of governance (bourgeios parliamentarism / capitalist dictatorship) as being "superior" to any alternatives, and especially the existing socialist alternatives.
Also since this model was first adopted by three colonialist western countries (UK, US, and Netherlands) in the 1700s, and adopted by most of western europe shortly after, it mostly coincides with a strong belief in white / western supremacy, as being the only "legitimate" form of governance.
The best book I could recommend here, is Losurdo's Liberalism - A counter history.
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This. Never understood the term in the first place, is this something I'm not american enough to understand? Isn't there a substantial difference between right-liberal and left-liberal?
Liberalism is the ideology of capitalism, so everyone supporting capitalism is technically a liberal.
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Liberalists believe in a secular ideology where all humans are equal but white people are the most equal.
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In all fairness, a liberal is just a Nazi that has never actually experienced suffering before.
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There appear to be a vast number of iberals who are indeed raging angry by the murders, represented by people wearing the Liberal badge and not reported and not reflected.
No elected liberal leader has decried this ongoing genocide. Every single one supports Israel, and other settler colonial projects just like it. Liberal countries have been the main perpetrators of colonialism in the modern era, so this is nothing surprising.
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ah yes, not all liberals
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