I mean last time I tried pointing out they were being shitty ended with them calling me and others calling it out as racist and shitty as just being overly sensitive

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 52 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wanna hear a homophobic joke?

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It's about Drumpfrth and Pootin

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[–] taygaloocat@leminal.space 12 points 1 day ago

Right? All the time they joke about how Trump is fat and a closet gay. Can't we just point out how much of a fascist he is and leave it at that?

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 35 points 2 days ago

And they really really hate it when that's pointed out

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm almost sure I won't get a serious answer but how is a joke about a specific person racist? It's not about stereotypes, just similarity to a cartoon figure. I live in Europe and my head of state looks like Mr Burns (he really does). Is that racism against white people? What is the difference?

[–] Chump@hexbear.net 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The difference is calling an Asian person yellow has a long and very racist precedent. It would be akin to saying Obama looks like Curious George because A) he fucking doesn’t and neither does Xi look like Winnie and B) there are similarly obvious racial connotations between saying a black man looks like a monkey and that an Asian man looks like a literally yellow character.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I stand corrected. This really is a serious answer. I finally understand the point.
I still disagree.

When I think Winnie the Pooh I think round face much more than yellow. Yellow is a very common color in cartoons. You can't deny that. If that was the only reason, there's a whole pool to chose from.

Comparing black people with non human monkeys plays on the historical "scientific racism" that puts white people on the top and black people somewhere close to apes and Asians somewhere in between (depending on political affiliations). Nowhere in history has anyone put Asians close to bears. Even if the motivation is skin color (which I cannot disprove), the comparison to black people as monkeys falls flat.

[–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When I think Winnie the Pooh I think round face much more than yellow.

It doesn't matter what you think. It what it's received as. Also check out the first instance of the meme which has 💯 racist connotations. The one with xi and Obama compared to Winnie and.. ? To which racial slur does the other character sound similar to?

[+] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com -11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

From what I found, Obama was compared to T*gger. Sure, I see the rhyme and I'm sure it doesn't matter what I think but I think this is far fetched. Other leaders were compared to other figures in the franchise. If you try to find something, you will. source

Also, this seams to be huge within China. Chinese people mocking their leader and the state censors it. And when people mock their leader, I side with the people, not the leader.

[–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Racist dog whistles tend to sound like they are far fetched. They also have plausible deniability built into them e.g. the OK sign, pepe the frog memes, etc

Fact is: whenever you see some "anti-authoritrian" post the Winnie meme only to "criticize the CCP [sic]" you get a fuck ton of sinophobic comments from western libs below it and the OP never distancing themselves from it and often times doing it themselves too

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 days ago

this seams to be huge within China. Chinese people mocking their leader and the state censors it

You base this on....?

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Also, this seams to be huge within China

citations-needed

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 days ago

John Oliver said so, which means it's true.

[+] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com -11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Oh yes, this is the kind of reaction I expected from the start. Thank others that they proved me wrong.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 days ago

People pointing out that a claim has no basis or evidence is proving it wrong

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

my understanding is that China's population is largely satisfied with their government, and I can understand that since I've seen nothing but endless improvements year over year for the last ten years now, despite constant "china's about to collapse" and other actually insane propaganda about China so yeah pardon me for thinking you should back up your claim that "calling xi jinping winnie the poo is huge in china (even though the GOVERNMENT will KILL YOU FOR IT)"

[+] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

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[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

How does mocking their leader even translate to economic growth or what ever metric you are using?

how many citizens in how many countries do you know readily mock their leaders when shit is going good, and what would you think would motivate them to do so?

I'm not talking "shit is going good" like in America for the last XX years where "the economy" is "doing well" but wages are stagnant and costs for basic goods and services inflate exponentially year over year, I'm talking "the government planned on insane infrastructure investments that would take 5 years but actually got it done in 3, now you can go across the country in 4 hours on a high speed train, 90%+ of the country owns a home, and wages and real benefits are increasing exponentially at the same pace you see their depreciation in western countries"

which like no fucking shit, they actually plan for the future (which western countries have literally used as propaganda i.e. 15 years ago the "ghost city" bullshit where they alleged China built fake cities to juice their GDP. Surprise 10 years later people fucking live in them!) and aren't beholden to the golden principle of "nothing can happen unless it makes the already ultra rich ultra richer"

anyway, going back to you backing up your claim that "it seems huge" in China to "mock Xi Jinping" as being Winnie the Pooh, yeah, you wanna do that? Or are you just a bloviating piece of shit shit-lib two steps away from becoming a fascist?

[–] tlmcleod@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

how many citizens in how many countries do you know readily mock their leaders when shit is going good

Every single anarchist.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 1 day ago

Can confirm

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Let's just face the fact that we are too far away to convince each other. If you don't belief that censorship is real and people fight back, none of my sources would ever convince you. I came here to understand, not to convince or be convinced

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You have not proven that there are people "fighting back" against the CPC. They have over 90% support from the people. The "Winnie" joke is far more popular in the west, not only because anti-China sentiment is higher in the west but for the reasoning given by others regarding its racist undertones.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You have not proven that there are people "fighting back" against the CPC

And I specifically said I'm not going to. I'm not going to spend energy to research a point just to give y'all the opportunity to reject my sources anyway. I know what to expect from an online discussion and what not and this is an agree to disagree situation. I see now how it can be read as racist which I didn't get before and that's more than I expected from this.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

Surely that's more of a reason to research approval rates in China, no? One of the biggest tools of western imperialism is manufacturing the idea that the CPC is an iron dictatorship, and that the people yearn for freedom from them. The fact that the opposite is the case is certainly important, no?

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

You came here to bullshit

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

cool story

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 1 day ago

Thanks

[–] Kefla@hexbear.net 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah what the hell was that person thinking, asking you to show any evidence for the garbage that you spew without any regard for accuracy

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago

I'll try to provide a serious answer.

The difference is the long racist history of refering to Asian people as yellow skinned, phrases like "yellow peril" describing fears of Asian immigrants, so it's not a stretch to see how depicting a Chinese man with cartoonishly yellow skin is racist as fuck.

It would be like depicting a black politician as a monkey, it's difficult to defend something like that as just a joke against a specific person when there's such a racist connotation/history there.