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[–] Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

can someone eli5 i2p to me?

[–] RyeMan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Others have summarized it well but I'll add my perspective also.

I2P is a decentralized network of peers. All traffic gets routed through multiple peers before reaching its destination. Traffic is also encrypted by multiple layers of encryption and each connected peer can only decrypt one layer, that layer will only contain further routing info so that peer knows the next place to hand off your data. The encryption gets stripped layer by layer until it finally reaches its destination.

What this ultimately means is that by interacting with a website or service through I2P it is virtually impossible to identify any information the user is sending or receiving and it is also impossible to tell where the connections are going or coming from.

To make things even more interesting all I2P routers by default also contribute resources back into the network so while your I2P Router is handling your communication connections, it's also volunteering to be a connection node in someone else's connection. This adds further security because now you've got many Peer to Peer connections going in and out of your network, all encrypted so any prying eyes will have an exceedingly difficult time trying to make sense of any of your internet traffic.

Tor relies on the good faith of its community to contribute resources to the network and it's not very well incentivised causing its resources to be far more limited and bogged down. For this reason, Tor cannot sustain heavy torrent traffic without easily being overwhelmed. In I2P, every user is a contributor so the more people who use I2P, the faster and better it becomes.

The big advantage Tor has over I2P are outproxies and the beautifully prepacked Tor Browser. Tor has a lot more influence and money backing it so there are some large and well protected entities that can afford all the legal trouble that outproxies can bring. Unfortunately there just isn't enough money or legal support in the I2P community to reliably support outproxies even though I2P already has full support for it.

I2P is a fantastic tool for private communication across the Internet and the true ELI5 here is I2P natively supports "anonymous" torrenting (even encouraged it as it strengthens the network further) and will do so privately and securely without any need for a VPN. Adding support to QBittorrent makes it even easier to access I2P torrenting with very minimal set up required.

The only catch here is you can't go around downloading any old torrent from the Internet on I2P, someone needs to actually be seeding that torrent on the I2P network for you to get any data. There are fully functioning tracker sites exclusively within I2P that have a huge catalog of content but all is not lost for "clearnet" torrents either. Software like BiglyBT and now QBittorrent, allows users to "bridge" or "cross seed" torrents across the two networks, that way content is shared no matter what network you're a part of.

BiglyBT has been doing this for a while now but I'm so happy to see QBittorrent finally embracing this as well.

EDIT: https://geti2p.net/en/

[–] Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So its basically the cooler Tor? Thanks for explaining

Cooler and less cool because no exit nodes. It's fully separate from normal internet.

[–] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

To summarise, I2P is similar to Tor, except that every client also serves as a node, and there are no exit nodes, so you can only access data shared by other I2P clients

Is my summary correct?

[–] einat2346@lemmy.today 2 points 8 months ago

the tor onion network. But no exits to clearnet.

Everybody contributes bandwith. And because everybody contributes bandwith, privacy is created because you can never know if you reached the end of the chain and found the creator of the first network request.

In theory it's a lot more secure than the tor network. In practice it gets 1/100th of the funding, because you have to be a computer nerd to even install it, need a computer to keep it running 24/7 (longer you run, more privacy) , while tor browser "Just works" and can start providing privacy to everybody right away.

[–] arisunz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Some documentation would be nice.

I've been trying to connect qbittorrent to my local i2pd node for the last 30 minutes and for the life of me I cannot get it to work, even though other services work via SAM in the same port. Everything just times out.

Edit: for anyone else struggling, you need to add your own trackers: https://old.reddit.com/r/qBittorrent/comments/13xmr84/tutorial_how_to_use_i2p_in_qbittorrent/

qbittorrent doesn't seem to be able to fetch those on its own yet

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Will it be enabled by default?

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably not. I2P doesn't connect to the clearnet like Tor does, it only works if the destination is on I2P as well.

[–] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I2P does connect to the clearnet, it just doesn't by default.

Outproxies are available and you can even host your own routing it through Tor. That way you get the best of both networks.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anyone has a small and quick guide to how to set this up on let's say a Rasp Pi?

[–] Strict3443@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Guide for Linux: https://strict3443.codeberg.page/i2p-info/hugo/public/posts/how-to-use-i2p-on-qbittorrent-nox/

You can install i2pd with sudo apt install i2pd and then point your services towards your i2p router (Ex. 127.0.0.1) and you are good to go.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks! And just so I understand this correctly, do I need a separate router for this + my normal router?

[–] Banthex@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago

The router is a software.