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Skiff users received the following email

Skiff × Notion

Dear Skiff Community,

We are excited to share that Skiff is joining Notion.

Skiff's mission is to bring freedom to the internet by helping people collaborate and communicate with freedom and privacy. We see a deep alignment with Notion’s vision to build a connected workspace and enable everyone to build tools that reflect their values.

We’re extremely excited to accelerate our mission by joining forces with Notion’s world-class team. We sincerely hope that the Skiff community will join us for this next stage of our journey. We’re pursuing big plans for making all of our online lives freer and more empowered, and these plans will carry forward directly the ambitions we’ve strived for alongside the Skiff community.

As we begin to shift focus to our shared efforts with Notion, we will be closing down Skiff's product suite after a 6-month sunset period We are deeply appreciative of the trust users have extended to us, and we are committed to honoring that trust by ensuring that all data on Skiff is easily exportable. For the next 6 months, Skiff services will continue to operate without disruption, and users can freely duplicate, migrate, or export data. You can now also set up a forwarding address to redirect mail to any other provider.

Our commitment to privacy and security is unchanged. All user data remains end-to-end encrypted, and Skiff products will never monetize your data. Accounts and data on Skiff will not be converted into Notion accounts.

We encourage you to export your data and migrate custom domains within the next 6 months. We’ve prepared this guide to make that process as easy as possible. For any other questions, our support team is readily available via the in-app “Send feedback” option or at support@skiff.org.

The Skiff community has lifted, inspired, and energized us at every step. We are humbled by your support and we apologize for any disappointment or inconvenience this change may cause you. We remain as committed as ever to bringing about the vision for a better internet that brought us together. Thank you for being part of the Skiff family, and we look forward to continuing to serve you with our future efforts.

Sincerely, Skiff Team

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[–] hai@lemmy.ml 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I have been a long-time Notion user and really love Skiff. But, my trust in Notion has really been shaken after they added AI. I’m not sure what to do right now. :\

[–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] hai@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I might take a break from these encrypted ones, I’m thinking about trying to find a plain old IMAP/POP provider.

[–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't think the encryption for Skiff, Tuta and Proton did add any real and important value for most users. Posteo and mailbox.org with IMAP seems fine to me.

[–] hai@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

I’m gonna start comparing all my options today or tomorrow. Thanks a bunch for you help, I hadn’t seen that thread before! I also hadn’t seen Posteo yet, but it looks pretty good.

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I mean, Proton Mail has been around ages and if you pay them ... really anything at all you get access to their bridge application. Which... That runs a local plain old IMAP server you can use as if it was any old IMAP email provider.

All the encryption happens on the bridge side, your email client doesn't need to worry about encryption keys or anything.

[–] hai@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Honestly, I just need something that works and is standardized. Also, I just want email — I thought Proton had an email only plan, but they must’ve removed it or something. I have my own VPN, and don’t torrent or do other things that I need to hide from my ISP (who are pretty lazy anyway).

Thanks for the information though! Cool that they have a way that you can still use the apps you want (that was my biggest problem with Skiff tbh).

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 3 points 9 months ago

They do have an email only plan. It's called mail plus https://account.proton.me/mail/signup?mode=sps&ref=mailmenu¤cy=USD

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Hey, not to push Proton too hard but they wrote a blog post today about the Skiff shutdown and I thought you might want to see it

https://proton.me/blog/migrate-skiff-to-proton

No worries if not.

[–] mint_tamas@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This link opens to a thread about email providers. Is this what you meant to post?

[–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes, it has suggestions for you to move away from Skiff.

[–] mint_tamas@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Ah ok, I’ll take another look then. Thanks!

[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

What problems have you had with that AI? Or is it a privacy concern?

EDIT: lol at the downvotes. Please, assholes, learn to recognize a normal question from a troll qustion.

[–] hai@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

My problem is with annoying advertisements within a productivity suite for something I don’t want.

I would’ve been fine if all they did was add AI, but there seemed to be a new one every time I logged in.

Edit: it is also kind a privacy thing.

[–] Myrbolg@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Yep, same thing for ClickUp, a competitor. Pretty much the only thing they talk about and seem to work on is AI, which comes at a high price and does not really add much benefit.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I found one feature somewhat useful though, using AI to summarize a page on a board or table. Haven't used it otherwise.

[–] nforminvasion@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Notion acquired Skiff('s Dev team) and now they're shutting their project down as stated to continue their own work.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Notion launched its new calendar based on Cron last month, but its productivity suit can soon have more privacy-focused offerings.

The company announced today that it has acquired Skiff, a platform that offers end-to-end encrypted file storage, docs, calendar events, and email.

The company had raised $14.2 million in funding over two rounds from investors such as Sequoia Capital along with Alphabet chairman John Hennessy, former Yahoo chief executive Jerry Yang, and Eventbrite co-founders Julia and Kevin Hartz, Balaji Srinivasan, and re–Inc founder Jenny Wang.

Then a few months ago, Ivan [Notion co-foudner] and I were talking, and Skiff came up again.

While the company started out as a secure alternative to Google Docs, it also built other productivity solutions such as calendar and email.

Prior to that, it acquired Cron and India-based Automate.io, which had a suite of integrations with 200 services.


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[–] nyakojiru@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

"Privacy focus" lol !