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[–] Darkard@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The vague idea of getting the same as everyone else, while not having to actually make the effort, appeals to sheltered and unappreciative western kids who feel oppressed because they have to put down thier entertainment device and do thier maths homework.

Borderline champagne socialists

[–] CAPSLOCKFTW@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

So I am a middle aged man, living with my family in a 140 sqm house with a garden, built in 2019 in one of the richest countried of the world. We go on vacation 2 times a year, eat good, do a lot of freetime activities like amusement parks, eating out, etc. Both my wife and me work on well payed proffessions and are at least in the top quarter of people in our country regarding wealth. And I know for a fact that many people earn less for far more work, because I used to be one of them. Only in my country, one of the richest in the world. I was fortunate, because I was gifted with a pretty good brain and other things that are absolutly not my doing, but there are a lot of people in low paying and minimum wage jobs that work a lot harder than me.

TL;DR: Capitalism is no meritocracy. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. It's a fucked up system and we need something more fair.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Because the single only way to do communism is how the UdSSR did it, there's no other way.

And of course it's only possible to either agree with the whole of a specific ideology, or none of it. There's no "good parts of communism" or "bad parts of capitalism" it's only ever all good or all bad.

Politics is the mind-killer.

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[–] nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

Communism isn't the issue the same way Capitalism isn't the issue, the issue is rich people abusing working class and poor people. Removing democracy from these systems just make them absolutely horrid in the long run. Also China isn't communist it's state capitalist dictatorship.

[–] samokosik@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

As a someone whose country belonged to the western bloc, I can relate xD

[–] tim1996@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wish we could look at what the ussr did right and how it worked around its restrictions without rose tinted glasses. Some central planning of efficient railways and large industrial machinery might not be a bad idea. Lezz a fair doesn't always produce great results. Walkable neighborhoods and commie blocks aren't such a bad idea but fascist dictators are.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

Say what you will about the USSR, but it took a bunch of peasant farmers under exploitative monarchy and literally rocketed them into a global superpower in, what, 2 generations? While weathering the immediate tangible effects of two world wars, and staying competitive against the capitalistic world power that remained virtually untouched in both wars and casually claimed industrial supremacy by virtue of that fact.

How great can capitalism be if the capitalists had a multi-century head start, better natural resources, advantageous geography, a bigger population, and it was still close?

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean there is, but all of the major nations fall somewhere in the middle of the capitalism / socialism spectrum.

China, a communist nation, has private businesses. The US, a capitalist nation, has public infrastructure and social safety nets.

It’s a gradient, and very few nations are 100% on the edge of the spectrum.

[–] robinn@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

China is socialist under Primary Stage Socialism with development emphasized. Social safety nets and public infrastructure are not automatically steps towards socialism (in the first place because the U.S. is imperialist and finances these gains with the wealth of other nations with the aim of pacifying conflict rather than ushering in genuine positive change). This spectrum approach ignores political and developmental realities, in the first place with China being a dictatorship of the proletariat and the US being a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, and with private businesses subordinated at every step to the popular mass party (and with the final goal of expelling them when socialism is fully developed (1949/1950), since China is a backward nation that did not undergo a capitalist period before developing the DOTP. The “more state or more private” dichotomy is imo an incorrect way of looking at things.

[–] Nano@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Yeah this is really messed up, I still don't know if I am going to stay on this site, too much annoying commies here

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

Meanwhile in the real world

[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

A lot of eastern Europeans actually miss/look back fondly on the USSR days.... I'm not exactly a fan of them or other "communist" regimes, as they were all basically thinly veiled dictatorships, but standard of living was higher for most of the former block countries.

I really don't get all the china dick riding going on. I gotta think it's driven by bots and Chinese netizens. The west is a little unfair on their views of China, but they grab descenters with secret police and quash any form of opposition to their one party system. People who praise them and act like that's a better system are crazy. Really wish we could build some decent highspeed rail network in America though...

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Educated people in general have to say on politics the same things that I said earlier, but they are very nostalgic over less criminalized popular culture, better technical education and rules being followed. So am I to some extent actually.

In Moscow? You're not being fair. Educated people in the soviet union from Moscow lived extremely well and have very positive views. Engineers, scientists, etc will all say positive things. You know as well as I do that hundreds of video interviews will confirm this. Be fairer, claiming that everyone that supports the ussr among the over 60s is just uneducated is definitely untrue. This particular video series is in Moscow and this lady is exactly what I am talking about.

You can't live in Moscow and say this is untrue. You're being unfair.

No recollection at all, I’m 1996, but since transition from USSR to modern Russia didn’t happen in an instance, in various institutions and organizations you can still see in some ways how it was. More in my childhood than now, but still.

Brought up in shock therapy then.

if you weren’t in denial.

I'm not in denial. I'm asking you to be fairer. The data does not support your position. You know as well as I do that 75% of the country consider the soviet era to be when the country was at its greatest (and that this is easily verifiable from many sources), and you know damn well that 75% of the country aren't all uneducated people. You are not being fair.

[–] hare_ware@pawb.social -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Didn't the USSR just do state capitalism, and not actual communism or socialism? And weren't they also totalitarian & also not a democracy? Are people actually asking for what was happening in astern Europe or something else?

[–] Nerorero@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In Germany the left leaning parties want that shit. It sucks. They side with Russia atm as well and a lot of them just have this odd nostalgia for the time

[–] hairinmybellybutt@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

not to defend them, but capitalism is not doing very good recently, so that might give them points

[–] Nerorero@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, I know. I'm not a fan of that myself.

But the idea that current day Russia has it better is insane. The Propaganda has survived through 30 years of non existence

[–] hairinmybellybutt@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

There is a difference between Russia, communism and an authoritarian/totalitarian regime.

Communism is not necessarily authoritarian or totalitarian.

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[–] Vitaly@feddit.uk -1 points 2 years ago

Thats exactly what i feel when i hear anything good about communism, it killed so many people in Ukraine... NEVER AGAIN!

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