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[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 65 points 1 week ago (8 children)

It’s no surprise that federal public universities have received the highest marks; they are universally recognized as the best. But the evaluation of medical programs has also revealed that tuition fees can be inversely proportional to the quality of the education being offered. Medicine schools that scored the lowest (1 or 2 on a scale of 1-5) charge each student between $1,100 and $2,600 a month, according to a detailed analysis by Veja magazine. This is veritable fortune in a country where the minimum wage is $313 a month.

How can you charge so much compared to their minimum wage and still be so bad?

[–] agingelderly@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago

Ah, the ~~American~~ Capitalist approach

Ftfy

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Trust fund babies. Just like here.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

not at all. this is how much private education costs in brazil. most students go in debt to do it, not unlike usians.

there are some exceptions but most trust fund babies are actually in the much superior public university, because they had the better education to pass the hard exams in the first place.

luckily the system has balances to let in a lot of poorer students easier. not nearly enough space for everyone, though.

[–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

this, 100% correct, I am a brazillian

I have somehow managed to get in a prestigeous a public university in one of the best campi they have, (though unfortanely in a course that I hate and didnt want to get) and this is genuinely as someone that comes from a self subsistance farmer family the first time I have seen macbooks and ipads in my life (they are seen as status symbols here)

there are state mandated quotas of slots designated exclusively to students that have studied in public highschools and for black or mixed students, inclusion programs for low income students that provide up to half a minimum wage, housing and free food

it is common to say that public universities here are for the rich because, for the most part they are, even with all the support poorer students get, they are still a minority, you will see expensive cars roaming arround in the campus being driven by people who clearly got the drivers license yesterday and dont know what fuck theybare doing, and rich kids outright paying to get help cheating in tests

[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Students that are paying a fortune can expect and demand high grades for little work, they’re paying extra for the “deluxe” degree where all the hard stuff is done for them. It’s really common with for-profit universities.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

Exactly. That's why the commodification of education is a travesty that can't be overstated...

[–] klymilark@herbicide.fallcounty.omg.lol 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I mean... American minimum wage comes out to $1256 monthly (assuming full-time, and that's pre-tax). Community college comes in pretty cheap at $450 a month on average, but four year universities come up to $4,800 on average (assuming full-time enrollment for both). The cheapest MD programs I can find are still close to twice the minimum wage, and that's assuming you get in-state tuition, since out of state is usually 2-3x more.

[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Try $290 monthly minimum wage. This is Brazil not America in the article. Unless you're saying It's better ratio of wage to tuition than America, which is not hard

It's about the same is what I was saying, yeah

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 1 week ago

And that doesn't include books and other necessary materials.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

kinda like carribean ones, and likely wont be eligble for praticing medicine in the states, because they have much more stringent requirements, which tend to ignore "diploma-mill like medical schools". if you're a foreign trained"MD that is not from the UK, aus, EU , canada" you will have a extremely hard time to pratice in the states or in any of those countries.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I've found in higher education that many programs that act as diploma mills charge a lot because they can. They know the students are just looking for the degree and that the school is probably their only choice.

[–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

fun fact the minimum wage is yearly readjusted and based on the cost of common basic items

how is it so bad? I have no fucking clue, we have chronic critical shortage of medics since as far as I can remember

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

medicine is a very elitized field in brazil

[–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

the only exception to that were the few doctors from cuba we had, though seem to have disappeared, unsure why, maybe they just became brazillians

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

because the fascists didn't like the idea of cuban medics damaging their precious little ivory tower.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (3 children)

graduate

lack basic knowledge

Why are they graduating in the first place? Who is passing these students? Stop passing students who can't show they learned anything, maybe? Novel idea, I know.

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's mostly private institutions passing people because they just care about the money and nothing else.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Those institutions need to lose their accreditation then.

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

That exam wasnt created for that and there is a very difficult exam to get a residency which is required for more 'complex' doctor jobs, so people didnt see the need for that until now. They are working on changes though that could involve shutting down courses that fail to meet the necessary standards

[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

They are restricting new enrollment for now while they make other plans. Removing accreditation would punish the students more than the system. Also, they aren't all private.

[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Source? The literal subtitle of the article says it's private and public institutions.

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Try reading beyond the subtitle

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Corruuuuuption!

Americans, pay attention, because this is where you're headed in speed run fashion

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I believe we USians invented the model.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Aha your president represents this exact form of corruption too

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

All of them, really. This one just hasn't enough game or reason to hide it.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

His brain is too hollow innit

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 points 1 week ago

speed run fashion

[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They... Are? Seems like a lot of people responding aren't reading the article, so:

  • Brazil is huge, and has the largest public healthcare system in the world.
  • This is the first time they've conducted a national test against medical universities
  • They are not punishing students, but the universities, and restricting new enrollment at them

And no, they are not all private institutions.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Seems like a lot of people responding aren't reading the article, so

You're insinuating I didn't read the article. 😛 But you're right, I didn't, because the statement I was referring to is right in the title.

How are they "about to graduate" if teachers weren't passing them when they shouldn't have, if they lack basic knowledge? You shouldn't be reaching the end of your medical programme about to graduate if you haven't passed any courses. 🤷‍♂️

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 27 points 1 week ago

Tax your rich, investigate corruption, close the loopholes.

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Something I think about after seeing such titles is the fact that education system curriculums have gotten insane around the world. Kids study 3 times more than what I had to study back then. Nearly all are failing. We are really pushing the human limits here.

[–] KatakiY@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah that's what I've been saving for at least a decade. Every company I worked for has feature creep in what you are expected to be an expert in and at a certain point you don't actually know anything you're just vaguely aware of a lot of different things.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

you're just vaguely aware of a lot of different things.

Same

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 week ago

The global economy is so broken that there's barely financial incentive to become a doctor anymore. The system only sustained for so long because we outsourced medical training to places like South Africa.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 15 points 1 week ago

Always take these stories with a grain of salt. Especially with a salacious headline such as "organization shocked"

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Meh, it just says new exam was introduces and a lot of students failed. This just means the schools are not good at preparing students for this exam, not that they don't prepare for practicing medicine. I would say it's normal that universities will need time to adapt their courses to the requirements of the exams. Maybe students are not well prepared for the format or maybe the just need to put greater focus on different parts of the curriculum. I don't think this means that graduates are somehow less prepared, just that the new exam is another barrier for them to begin practice which means it will slow down induction of new doctors into the workforce. Hopefully they will adapt fast and this will not have any long term repercussions.

[–] PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Framed differently, it could mean the new exam is a poor indicator of readiness to practice medicine.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 points 1 week ago

Exactly. Impossible to tell from this article alone.

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[–] Mellow12@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Thank you for the hot topic, One day old account.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

But are their parents rich?

[–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

depends,

in Brazil, public universities are mostly attended by the rich for free

paid ones are usually also mostly attenddd by the rich though on average less rich

the reason? even though there extremely generous inclusion programs and quotas for poor and students that studied in public education system their whole lives the public universities are very competitive and hard to get into and since the basic public school system is utter garbage any student from private schools is at a huge advantage

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Well that’s the whole problem because it’s not merit it’s entitlement and cronyism

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