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As above switched to Linux and i am enjoying it i picked Ubuntu as TBH it was the first I came across. The last two times it has prompted me to update has caused a drama. First would only give me a black screen of text so I did a reinstall.

The latest one went fine it updated to 6.17.0-94 but i lost all networking no wifi By the looks of it the problem I have is i have an older device that has nvidia 580 graphics card. I have rolled back for now but questions are;

Is there a way to pre-emt this, as i feel now as soon as i restart it will jump back up and leave me without networking to resolve. its quite a faff trying to find out what to do on my mobile and typing it in the terminal.

Is it better to fix or try another distro?

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[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

GTX 580? Maybe you have to install an older driver, like the 470-series of the driver appears to support it: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/legacy-gpu/ Ubuntu has a bunch of older series of nvidia driver you can install for this purpose.

That would not explain your networking though. Unless that is also some older hardware too... But, a common thing to do as a new user in linux may be to find posts which answer "how do I install x in ubuntu" and they usually involve editing files under /etc/apt/sources.d/. This can wreck your system in this kind of way, so: have you done that? Or this is pure ubuntu, just regular apt update/upgrade and some apt installs?

[–] Cherry@piefed.social 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Not altered anything just saw the pop up for update now...which i did and all looked to be fine, aside from the no networking.

I tried the install extras option and that's when i got the 580 errors. I might be wrong that they are the problem.

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago

Also, do you NEED the Nvidia drivers? Are you gaming and trying to squeeze every last bit or is it just a display output? Cause if it's the latter the open source nouveau drivers will work just fine with that card.

[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Ok. What exactly is not working with the network? Are you on wired or wireless? If you do run ip a, does your interfaces show up?

Another thing to look at is journalctl -b. Look for errors, lines in red, anything about the network. If you can roll back to a functioning boot (or run journalctl -b -1 should show the previous boot) and compare to that is probably a good idea, journald (displayed by that command) may contain errors that are not relevant, so comparing to a functioning boot may be good.

Also, depending on how old your computer it, there may be another hdmi output which uses the GPU integrated to your CPU. If that is the case, you could switch to it if the nvidia card stops working just to troubleshoot, take a look at journalctl -b and look for errors again. If the screen just goes black, and does not boot, this may also give you some messages as to why the nvidia graphics is not coming up.

[–] 0t79JeIfK01RHyzo@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago

The 580 drivers might just be the default for nvidia. I have two computers with nvidia GPUs that are like 10 years apart in age, but both look like they're running 580 drivers.

I don't really know what's wrong with the networking though. Maybe try updating from terminal if you haven't? sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade

[–] Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

I have a feeling your gpu is too old for the latest Ubuntu version

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I've been using Linux for years, but on my hardware I've never been able to get Ubuntu to work reliably. I now only use it when booting from a USB for backups, but even on a relatively recent Dell laptop with Intel graphics the GUI crashes constantly. IMO it isn't worth the trouble, but of course someone here will be oh-so offended by that.

After trying dozens of distros I went back to Mint because it just works.

[–] Cherry@piefed.social 2 points 5 days ago

Yup I’m dell

[–] Quazatron@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Are you dual booting Ubuntu with Windows? Because Windows fast boot causes that behavior.

[–] Cherry@piefed.social 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No i only have ubuntu on the device

[–] ulu_mulu@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Did you disable fast boot in the BIOS? Just removing Windows won't do that.

[–] Cherry@piefed.social 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I thought i completely removed windows when i did the install. I was mac in a previous life. I picked up a old pc that had a fresh install of windows and i thought i just installed linux straight over it...when it asked if i wanted to install over the full drive.

I will try and find out...

[–] ulu_mulu@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It doesn't matter what you do on the hard drive, you need to go into the BIOS to disable fast boot.

How to do that depends on your PC, search the web for your PC brand and model.

[–] Cherry@piefed.social 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Cherry@piefed.social 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Okies am I in the right place? and i really appreciate the help by the way to all posters.

Have a look under POST Behaviour.

[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

To the menu to the left, there is one item called "secure boot", and sometimes "fast boot" is there. However, if your computer is booting at all, I'm not sure this is it. But try it, it will not hurt.

[–] daggermoon@piefed.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Welcome to Linux. We hope you enjoy your stay. That being said I'm wondering if It would work better in Debian. Linux Mint Debian Edition is basiclly a better Ubuntu. Ubuntu has weird bugs from what i've heard. I had a GTX series card and I always had problems with it. I had less issues on Arch based distros however. Maybe CachyOS or Garuda Linux might work better? Also, just a friendly warning Linux users like to argue with each other in the comments but it's just how we show our love for each other. As for things (wi-fi) working one day and then broken the next I only had happen on Ubuntu based distros. Do with that what you will. I hope someone else here has better advice. Best of luck and feel free to ask questions if you actually read my rambalings for some reason.

[–] Cherry@piefed.social 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I’ll be staying for good. I like it. The users are friendly, welcoming and knowledgable, it’s so nice to be part of a community like this. Plus it’s good to get some old school tech skills back and err against convenience when it comes with the cost of mainstream surveillance.

[–] anon5621@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

If you really have a GTX 580, it's a very old card. You’ll need legacy drivers, and it will always be a hassle for future updates. You should replace it with something better, like an RX 480 or 580 they really cheap on second hand market

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

Your PC is too old for Ubuntus recent releases. Use a older distro like Debian.

[–] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

On old hardware I use Debian. You can use whatever DE you prefer, I prefer x, but you have a graphics card so maybe you want gnome or kde. Ventoy liveusb with a few different distros can help you pick something that you like and let's you fully and quickly rage quit a distro if you come to realize that debugging legacy hardware/software compatibility issues is it's own hobby that is separate from not wanting to be tracked at the OS level or wearing sexy socks or whatever reason you have for using Linux.

[–] tangeli@piefed.social 1 points 5 days ago

You can boot Linux from a USB flash drive if your main installation isn't working. That might be better than searching for solutions from your phone. And a bootable USB flash drive is helpful when you can't boot from the internal drive. I always have one around, just in case, though I don't use it very often.

Booting from USB flash drive is a bit slow. A USB attached hard drive or SSD will be much faster or, if your internal drive is big enough, you can partition it to hold two Linux installations. Then, when one isn't working you can switch to the other with just a reboot, as long as it's not the boot loader that's broken.

[–] emotional_soup_88@programming.dev 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't know which network manager Ubuntu uses, so I'm not sure whether this applies to you. I'm using Arch with the network manager systemd-networkd. I set it up manually from the CLI by creating a so called .network file in the /etc/systemd/network/ folder.

To "setup" and start using systemd-networkd, do sudo systemctl enable --now systemd-networkd.service. You will probably also need to setup systemd-resolved with sudo systemctl enable --now systemd-resolved.service because some services and/or programs need this for domain name resolution.

Then, check out point 3.5 on this page in the Arch Wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-networkd

Use the section that applies to your setup depending on whether you are wired, wireless or both.

This of course assumes that Ubuntu doesn't use another network manager.

Here is a list of common Linux network managers if the above wouldn't apply.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Category:Network_managers

[–] BitsAndBites@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Maybe try a few distros on a live usb to see which work well with the hardware.

[–] Cherry@piefed.social 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

That's what i thought, it is good excuse to explore. I am just a bit frustrated as a new user to be bumping into roadblocks so early in my linux journey

[–] VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I was on Ubuntu for like 3 years, a few days ago switched to Debian. I installed Ubuntu because I thought it would "easy" and "just works" and all that. I'm not very computery person, I know some basics but I'm mostly confused about everything.

What I've learned from using Debian is I should have just gone for that from the beginning. Its not that different and somehow it feels nicer and more capable. If your Ubuntu keeps giving you grief, try Debian or whatever you think looks nice.

[–] Cherry@piefed.social 1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Thanks i will take a look. I like the toy story themes.

[–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 2 points 5 days ago

TBH, Ubuntu used to be the best option for newbies to get their feet wet. Nowadays, it's just a meh distro. Not enough to say abandon ship, but there are definitely better choices out there.

[–] VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)
[–] Cherry@piefed.social 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The trade off is that you'll have to get used to troubleshooting and configuring a bit on your own, but the reward is that you are no longer an involuntary product of Microslop. :) Don't get discouraged, be patient!

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works -2 points 4 days ago

try a non wayland spin like fedora xfce https://fedoraproject.org/spins/xfce/download/

older machines get hiccups when they meet wayland