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[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And when you rebut their arguments using entirely western sources from their approved list of outlets, they call you a tankie and run away

[–] Cooltag@lemmy.org 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The American state likes to attack small countries under the pretext "it's to liberate the people".

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Any conflict of interest in the source needs to be considered, including the degree to which the source is permitted to criticize it's home nation's government or it's allies.

[–] Tharkys@lemmy.wtf 0 points 2 months ago

You shouldn't believe anything the government tells you, no matter what direction you identify with. Especially these days.

[–] pirate2377@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

The West: My data and research is correct! All chinese sources are propaganda! China: My data and research is correct! All western sources are propaganda!

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The US: drops 46 bombs a day! China: hasn't been in a war for 46 years!

Westerners: these two states are equally bad for humanity(or one is significantly more evil, can you guess which one they think that is?)

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago

Clearly not enough bombs. Lol

[–] Pman@lemmy.org 1 points 2 months ago

They just have PMC's in sub Saharan African countries to help ensure their investments in said countries and bring in their own labor as well not increasing local wealth except for the local warlords.

[–] pirate2377@lemmy.zip -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're correct. America is more evil than China right now. Wasn't trying to say otherwise, but fortunately America isn't the entire west...yet

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)
[–] RedNajm@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not even mentioning the Libyan war 15 years ago, where many western countries bombed libya and turned it into an open air slave market . Heckin wholesum socdem norway alone dropped 588 bombs on Libya

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As always, the west will do its best to destroy any country that dares to be sovereign. Iran is bravely expelling the imperialists from West Asia and proving that the Empire has truly decayed in terms of hard power.

[–] RedNajm@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A year and two ago I thought west Asia wouldn't have a breakthrough in decades, I'm happy Iran proved me wrong. The fact in merely a matter of weeks the chance of the US indefinitly withdrawing from west Asia is now a very real possibility, and Israeli society is collapsing from within is something I thought I'd only ever get to see in at least 3 decades. A flash of hope in a sea of despair

We will both live to see imperialism die and that makes me very happy

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

Extremely happy! The death and devastation to innocents in Iran are of course extreme tragedies, but the upside is of course as you describe, a real chance for change. The US Empire has been declining for decades, and the sheer difference in how the war on Iran is going vs. the destruction of Iraq and Libya both serve to drive that point home. Iran is not Libya nor is it Iraq, and the US Empire of today is not the US Empire of 3 decades ago. Quantity turns to quality, weeks into decades, of course.

The damned beast is weak, and Iran is showing the world that it isn't some invincible force outside of the rest of society, but deeply enmeshed within it.

[–] pirate2377@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

In a militaristic sense, yeah. We do spend a trillion dollars on the army as deplorable and unnecessary that is, so the threat of invasion if you don't comply is there.

However, why would Trump threaten to invade Canada and Greenland if the EU, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand has no autonomy of its own? They certainly wouldn't be turning to China in response to all the tariffs and invasion threats if that was the case.

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

However, why would Trump threaten to invade Canada and Greenland if the EU, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand has no autonomy of its own? They certainly wouldn't be turning to China in response to all the tariffs and invasion threats if that was the case.

Personal benefit. Greenland, Denmark and other vassals are not sovereign they are suzerainties. They are allowed limited domestic autonomy( in the case of Greenland specifically the US even got away with dropping a nuke on them with no repercussions)

Despite this Trump could still benefit personally, financially and otherwise from a more direct form of control and knowing his ego I wouldn't be surprised if he just wants to paint Greenland in US colours on the world map so that part of his 'legacy' is increasing the size of the US.

This can be applied to other vassal nations, which cannot be said to be truly 'turning to China' until they take concrete steps to move outside of the US's sphere of influence such as de-dollarizing their economies and switching to RMB as their reserve currency, kicking out US troops from their borders and leaving any military coalitions led by the US occupying foreign nations they are in. Its extremely reductive to separate 'militaristic' issues from wider political ones, especially in this context. Ultimately Trump is a figurehead for the ruling class who's individual control over the empire has limits, his motivations and that of the empire as a whole while usually aligning are not always one and the same

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The difference is that the later is almost always confirmed by the state department 25 years later because of the Freedom of Information Act.

And even then westerners choose not to believe it; but they'll believe the Epstein files. 🤷‍♂️

[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Anybody upvoting this post should know what OP means when they post this. This is the post they made immediately afterwards: https://lemmy.ml/post/44920093

90% of their posts are pro-Putin

Decide for yourself whether or not they are reliable and/or propaganda

[–] m532@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This putin guy lives rent-free in your head. No rent, means no middle-men leeching off you, which is unamerican, therefore you're actually pro-putin!

[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Here i thought “ml” was a Marxist-Leninist instance. Yet it seems people support the decidedly pro-capitalist anti-Bolshevik Putin just because he’s the leader of Russia

Wild times for Communism

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

MLs tend to critically support the Russian Federation not because it's a former socialist state, but because of the progressive role Russia plays in undermining the western empire. Russia has been an ally to Cuba, Venezuela, and Iran, and is in general interested in a world where the US Empire isn't constantly boxxing it in and sanctioning it. This anti-imperialism isn't necessarily because Russians are more morally pure or anything, but out of definite relations to imperialism.

[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Besides what Cowbee said, the explicitly ML instance is Lemmygrad, and Hexbear is I believe broadly leftist, this instance is more generalist even if it does seem to be mostly commies here as well.

I'm not a fan of Putin but as long as the mainstream narrative frames everything around him as evil just because he goes against imperialism we'll have to put things in context and push back or else we miss the chance to remind people of the primary contradiction.

If it truly isn't about imperialism, then how come is everything bad about him okay to tolerate, ignore or even celebrate when the people doing it are compradors or imperialists?

If you have the awareness to understand where criticism of him comes from then participating in helping imperialism is dumb, and if you're itching to help imperialism leftist-y you're just the compatible left and you've been played.

We've seen empires tearing apart whole regions and butcher indigenous people and revolutionaries for so long at this point. Some of us know people who died in the last round of US backed regimes in the cold war. Some of us live in countries that were targeted even more recently than that by regime change operatives and the MIL. Let's stop ceding the ground to liberals with the memory of a goldfish and no political literacy.

[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Modern Russia may not fulfill all 5 of Lenin’s criteria for imperialism, but it’s moved closer to imperialism under his leadership, with the state actively working to create/consolidate capitalist monopolies and the expansionist military actions being the most blatant signifiers

When i say Russian state media is talking nonsense when they talk about “liberating” Ukraine, it’s not because I’m pro-imperialism, is because it’s absolute bullshit

You can hate the US and similar nations without mindlessly repeating the rhetoric of a ruthless expansionist capitalist dictator just because he’s opposed to the US