"People give them money for a game" as a business model seems to be applied evenly for everyone else except CIG and Star Citizen. They were given money by fans to make a game. It currently is playable and is in active development. You put up an example where the game has similar systems but radically different gameplay. Star Citizen has gameplay, it is a fun activity to play with friends and it has a thriving ecosystem (despite your clearly untrue claim otherwise). You don't play it, only know about it in the abstract, and don't seem to understand game development.

Hating Star Citizen feels less like genuine criticism and more like angry people grasping at a meme.

[–] Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So what gameplay is there for trading/hauling?

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world -3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Two months ago they released it: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/1eo7m5w/the_new_hauling_missions_are_a_ton_of_fun_but/

Why you hate this game is a mystery. It hasn't done anything to you and is working to fulfill the promises it made. But you are acting like a 3 year old child who wants it immediately and fuck the waiting.

[–] Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

What exactly did they release in terms of trading/hauling gameplay? Can you be specific?

If anything the post suggests whatever they did release is still pretty crude (as one can assume based on the feedback given in the thread - this is basic stuff).

In context of a multiplayer game, you would want some sort of dynamism and player interaction. Something along the lines of "planet X is building Y, requiring delivery of Z within the next 2 IRL months."

Successful completion of this mission would result in % discount on trade NPC escorts (which don't exist in SC) or additional NPC security on major trade routes. Pirate players and NPCs pirates would need to try and stop traders/haulers from successful completing the mission within 2 months. You know, real gameplay for traders and other "classes" with an impact on the game.

I am a 3 year old because I think trading/hauling gameplay in SC is complete shit after 12 years and raises questions about the where the money is going? Come on...

I don't hate the game. Hate is reserved for serious things. I do think it is a scam and outlined why. It's a reasonable assumption considering the history of SC.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Something along the lines of "planet X is building Y, requiring delivery of Z within the next 2 IRL months."

I have literally never seen that in a game. Every single MMO out there abstracts it's economy unless it's a specific world event requiring x number of deliveries by players to trigger. Stop holding SC to unrealistic standards.

[–] Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

These sort of mission/events are extremely common in MMOs, I believe there are examples from 20+ years ago. You yourself admit that they exist.

I am saying that trading/hauling gameplay in SC is comically primitive (while selling ships in the cash shop, some in the form of JPEGs, for hundreds of dollars). If you try out SC's trading gameplay, it is not unreasonable to wonder where the money is going.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I agree, events are common. But there is no MMO that uses that setup as a basis for it's economy. The basic economy behind trading mechanics is always abstracted because you can't risk the players crashing the economy. Games have tried and they've always gone back to an abstracted system just like Star Citizen.

And every ship they sell started out as a jpeg. Every single one of them. That they aren't done turning them into game assets doesn't mean they will stay that way.

[–] Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Where did I say that my hypothetical world event should be tied to a close to IRL economic simulation? How would the world event I described crash the economy? It is an abstraction to drive gameplay for both trader/haulers and pirates. This is basic stuff...

I don't consider JPEGs that cost hundreds of dollars (some I believe cost thousand+) that you haven't delivered in a decade to be legitimate. At the very least, you should offer no questions asked refunds if you can't deliver the product in 10 years (while still being a going concern).

[–] emuspawn@orbiting.observer 3 points 3 weeks ago

"Wow, this half developed feature is so interesting, here's a list of improvements that should be made to make it fun!" are 3/4s of the comments on that thread.

'Proud' owner of a 300i, still waiting on that 'Rework' from ~~2014~~ ~~2018~~ ???.