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Wayland really breaks things… Just for now? (blog.tenstral.net)
submitted 10 months ago by pnutzh4x0r@lemmy.ndlug.org to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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This post is in part a response to an aspect of Nate’s post “Does Wayland really break everything?“, but also my reflection on discussing Wayland protocol additions, a unique pleasure that I have been involved with for the past months.

Before I start I want to make a few things clear: The Linux desktop will be moving to Wayland – this is a fact at this point (and has been for a while), sticking to X11 makes no sense for future projects.

By switching to Wayland compositors, we are already forcing a lot of porting work onto toolkit developers and application developers. This is annoying, but just work that has to be done. It becomes frustrating though if Wayland provides toolkits with absolutely no way to reach their goal in any reasonable way.

Many missing bits or altered behavior are just papercuts, but those add up. And if users will have a worse experience, this will translate to more support work, or people not wanting to use the software on the respective platform.

What’s missing?

  1. Window positioning
  2. Window position restoration
  3. Window icons
  4. Limited window abilities requiring specialized protocols
  5. Automated GUI testing / accessibility / automation

I spent probably way too much time looking into how to get applications cross-platform and running on Linux, often talking to vendors (FLOSS and proprietary) as well. Wayland limitations aren’t the biggest issue by far, but they do start to come come up now, especially in the scientific space with Ubuntu having switched to Wayland by default. For application authors there is often no way to address these issues.

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[–] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Unpopular opinion, maybe, but Wayland has been just fine for me. All amd system, single monitor, on fedora since f37. Even before that, on other distros like Manjaro it was fine. I don't think I use anything that really cares what display management I use.

I can sympathize with those that this is an issue. As Wayland continues to becoming the standard.

[–] gomp@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

Same here (thumbleweed, kde, amd), I've been using wayland for around a year with zero issues.

[–] Secret300@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

I meant to comment on this comment haha anyways

I just got an AMD card for myself and holy shit. Everything I thought was a Wayland bug was a Nvidia bug. I've been using fedora for a couple years now.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I've been using Wayland since like 2016 and the only issues I've had have been with Discord and Steam's in-home-streaming (and they still aren't sorted).

Everything other than that for me has been smoother than X11 ever was.

If Discord and steam streaming were a deal-breaker to me though, then I'd obviously use X11 still. Apps need to have proper support.