The problem is partially that bluesky isn't really the Fediverse. It doesn't use the standard, and isn't truly interoperable. Accounts can be bridged, but that's a hacky workaround, not actual intercompatibility.

And threads is run by a company whose human rights violations would take a week just to read out loud.

The idea that the specific platform doesn't matter isn't a blanket statement, it's a description of being interoperable, nothing more. Bluesky isn't truly interoperable, and threads is run by Meta who facilitated ethnic cleansing, mass rape, and the burning of whole villages in Myanmar despite countless explicit warnings that these things would happen if they didn't take safety measures (not to mention all the other garbage Meta has done or enabled)

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah but they're fighting over the inevitable ad revenue.

[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I do not see Twitter, Threads, or BlueSky as any part of the Fediverse since they are all for profit corporations. Fediverse is about being free of the corporate overlords.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well.....I don't know why you included Twitter on that list, as they've NEVER been part of the fediverse.

Threads is fully integrated. You can personally block them from your end, but thats all you.

It would be like saying "Dominos doesn't make pizza. It has never been a pizza company". With your logic being that you don't like their pizza. Doesn't make it true just because YOU don't eat the pizza.

Bluesky I hear conflicting reports on. Some people say it is, because it can be, others say it's not, because it's not official. I get both sides on this.

But the last part......is objectively not true. It happrns to work that way FOR NOW. It just isn't profitable enough for the major players to sink any real resources into.

The fact that it's adfree has more to do with the fact that 60k people on all of Lemmy with most instances having a few hundred people "on" it, and also advertising companies not understanding the concept of federation.

I could start my own instance, and sell ads to corporate overlords. The biggest problem I'd face is the idea of trying to convince any company with money to spend that money on me putting an ad on for such a small audience.

If/when the fediverse ever gains momentum and becomes mainstream, you can guarentee that ads will be everywhere.

Because nobody owns the fediverse. Which means if I sell an ad on my instance, all federated instances will see the ad. Sure, you could defederate from my instance. But what would happen right now if lemmy.world sold ads? Is every instance going to defederate from the biggest instance, with the majority of communities? That would essentially break the fediverse.

We're all on a service that you think is immune to centralization, but forgot the core concept that humans like to socially congragate. Which means it's inevitable that there will always be one big dominant instance. Which means if this thing ever goes mainstream, the ads are coming, and they'll be on all the big instances.

[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well…I don’t know why you included Twitter on that list, as they’ve NEVER been part of the fediverse.

I included it because the article title included it, and I agreed it never would be. I then went farther and said I don't consider any of those beside Mastodon to be Fediverse because they all are corporations creating platforms for shareholders, NOT users.

It would be like saying “Dominos doesn’t make pizza. It has never been a pizza company”. With your logic being that you don’t like their pizza. Doesn’t make it true just because YOU don’t eat the pizza.

To use your analogy, It's actually more like they have the appearance of a pizza-like substance, but eating it you know it's not pizza and never will be because it's made of human waste.

Because nobody owns the fediverse. Which means if I sell an ad on my instance, all federated instances will see the ad. Sure, you could defederate from my instance. But what would happen right now if lemmy.world sold ads? Is every instance going to defederate from the biggest instance, with the majority of communities? That would essentially break the fediverse.

If it was pushing ads, absolutely! I believe the majority of us came to the fediverse to escape the ads/corporate enshitification, so the moment this stuff starts creeping in we can all just defederate them. Every admin knowing this would be the outcome I think also helps keep the fediverse "honest" as well.

[–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

Idea: The ads could be marked as such by the protocol or the instance would risk detestation. Then, every other instance could choose if they show ads or not.