However, I oftentimes find myself doom scrolling through reddit, just because of some nonsense BS propaganda, ads, etc .., snuck inbetween of the community posts I'm actually interested in.

How can we convince the people over there to move away?

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[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 113 points 6 days ago (20 children)

I'm just sick of Reddit.

How can we convince the people over there to move away?

I see things like this all the time on the fediverse. There's this sentiment that reddit sucks and it's nothing but bots and shithousery, but for some people they still want that crowd to migrate here.

I think Lemmy needs to let go of the idea of the "good" parts of reddit transferring here and everyone miraculously behaving differently, because it just isn't going to happen. The people left on reddit are there because that's the experience they want. Trying to import them en masse to Lemmy again is just going to bring more irritation and frustration IMO.

I think Lemmy would be better served working to improve and develop the communities they already have through users that are already here. Find ways to make your interests appealing to others. Be active in ways and places you usually wouldn't, and Lemmy will grow up around us organically. None of these social media giants have anything of substance to offer their huge user bases besides the niche communities you guys are missing, and that's why people spend so much time doomscrolling.

What we are missing is that someone on Reddit took the time to get these communities going too. Reddit wasn't an instant success, it took the efforts of the early membership to drive engagement and user growth. Lemmy is obsessed with the idea of short cutting this step to steal members from other networks, and that's silly.

No one is going to leave a well designed botnet social media for a black hole called the fediverse. In order to gain more meaningful membership we must first prove that Lemmy is worth overcoming the barriers to enter and engage with the people that are already here. Once the rest of the internet finds out we're cool, they'll show up.

[–] ad_on_is@lemm.ee -2 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Reddit took the time to get these communities going...

Sure! But, in this case Lemmy is literally a federated copypasta of Reddit, like Madtodon is of X.

Therefore, I think Lemmy is already a few steps ahead, due to the existing familiarity how communities/subs are supposed to be used.

So it's not we're starting from scratch... It's just getting rid of the annoyances of Reddit.

Take Mastodon/BlueSky as an example. People are already familiar withbthe concept of how to use it.

[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Sure! But, in this case Lemmy is literally a federated copypasta of Reddit, like Madtodon is of X.

This is being overly simplistic IMO. Lemmy is not a direct copy paste of reddit, just the idea is the same. Lemmy is missing many of the tools reddit has come to depend on for things like moderation and community engagement. The idea is the same but the framework is different and that comes with its own challenges.

Lemmy is a good enough platform for now and for future growth. It wasn't a drop in replacement for reddit when the exodus happened and it isn't a drop in replacement now, but it's closer. There are still lots of little things- quality of life improvements, moderation improvements, discovery improvements, etc that need to be tuned or fixed before Lemmy is ready to shoulder millions of active users, but that doesn't mean it isn't worthy of the effort today.

The beautiful part of the fediverse is we're all free to form our own ideas about how it's best grown and supported. If there's something you are passionate about there's nothing stopping you or anyone else from spinning up a community or instance about it and creating the niche communities everyone seems to miss. It all takes time, and individual and group efforts.

[–] Ofiuco@lemmy.cafe 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is being overly simplistic IMO. Lemmy is not a direct copy paste of reddit, just the idea is the same.

But he's not wrong on a practical level, the content is almost the same on reddit and here, even the memes are being reposted from there to here and then reposted over and over.
To me, seeing the same content multiple times on the All feed makes it seem emptier, like I can just check it once a day and I won't be missing anything. I blame the accounts that post content on multiple instances/communities instead of posting once and letting it federate and the reposters who just recycle content over and over... maybe those who keep blindly upvoting too.

A normal user doesn't have any incentive to leave reddit if they are going to find the same things.

If there’s something you are passionate about there’s nothing stopping you or anyone else from spinning up a community or instance about it and creating the niche communities everyone seems to miss.

Yeeeeah no, as I said on another comment, creating a new instance requires some kind of investment, might be monetary, learn a new skillset or dedicating time to keeping it up, it's not something anyone can do/afford and as time goes on, it might escalate if you plan to preserve everything.
A new community... maybe, but then you're gonna have to go instance jumping until you find one that fits you and it might be quick or you might never find one.

[–] thoro@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

Change your default sort.

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