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I'm just sick of Reddit.

The communities there seem much more active than the once on lemmy, which is not a surprise.

However, I oftentimes find myself doom scrolling through reddit, just because of some nonsense BS propaganda, ads, etc .., snuck inbetween of the community posts I'm actually interested in.

How can we convince the people over there to move away?

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[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 113 points 5 days ago (13 children)

I'm just sick of Reddit.

How can we convince the people over there to move away?

I see things like this all the time on the fediverse. There's this sentiment that reddit sucks and it's nothing but bots and shithousery, but for some people they still want that crowd to migrate here.

I think Lemmy needs to let go of the idea of the "good" parts of reddit transferring here and everyone miraculously behaving differently, because it just isn't going to happen. The people left on reddit are there because that's the experience they want. Trying to import them en masse to Lemmy again is just going to bring more irritation and frustration IMO.

I think Lemmy would be better served working to improve and develop the communities they already have through users that are already here. Find ways to make your interests appealing to others. Be active in ways and places you usually wouldn't, and Lemmy will grow up around us organically. None of these social media giants have anything of substance to offer their huge user bases besides the niche communities you guys are missing, and that's why people spend so much time doomscrolling.

What we are missing is that someone on Reddit took the time to get these communities going too. Reddit wasn't an instant success, it took the efforts of the early membership to drive engagement and user growth. Lemmy is obsessed with the idea of short cutting this step to steal members from other networks, and that's silly.

No one is going to leave a well designed botnet social media for a black hole called the fediverse. In order to gain more meaningful membership we must first prove that Lemmy is worth overcoming the barriers to enter and engage with the people that are already here. Once the rest of the internet finds out we're cool, they'll show up.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 48 points 5 days ago

"Reddit is awful. How do we move that here?"

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 27 points 5 days ago (2 children)

We simply don't need Reddit users. We need Lemmy users who desire to start communities. Lemmy is Reddit 10 years ago, and that's just fine.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 20 points 5 days ago

Lemmy is Reddit 10 years ago

I mean it's not THAT good, but it's sure better than Reddit today.

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[–] Sonor@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

For me - and i am new - the whole point of lemmy is less people, less content to scroll, and more quality. If lemmy was reddit, i would leave lemmy too

[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 10 points 5 days ago (4 children)

There's nothing wrong with this approach either but I'd remind you and anyone else seeking this experience that Lemmy is infinitely more customizable for this than reddit ever was. The ability to block users, communities, instances, etc can be invaluable. Some instances also don't federate with everyone so it's fairly easy to find a smaller space that isn't so busy if the larger instances are too much.

Lemmy gets a lot of shit, and deservedly so at times, but there are already some very handy tools in the kit for curating your feed to your liking.

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[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 10 points 4 days ago

Just mention lemmy from time to time on other platforms; not to say "please come here", but rather just to let people know that lemmy exists and has interesting stuff on it. People will check it out if they are interested.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 days ago

You can't be that sick of it if you want even let go of the place.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 48 points 5 days ago (2 children)

We don't. We just continue to stay here and grow and flourish naturally. I see no need to rush.

[–] Thetimefarm@lemm.ee 8 points 5 days ago

Yup, I say it in every thread of this sort I see pop up, you definitionally can't force organic engagement.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It can be frustrating to go from a thriving niche subreddit to a new venue without anyone to populate those niche communities. Outside of ML, FOSS, and Star Trek, most of the niche communities are ghost towns.

I don't think anyone is suggesting convincing AskReddit or /r/memes to migrate. I think they're mostly targeting /r/ObscureInterestYou'veProbablyNeverHeardOf.

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago

Why bother?

Reddit isn't Lemmy. Lemmy is Lemmy.

Enjoy who's here. Hi. I'm GhiLA.

[–] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Asking people to do something will never work, telling people how something is better will trigger their curiosity to at least take a look.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 26 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Advertise one instance instead of just saying "join lemmy"

id go a step further and say you need to draw a sub to a specific community. its hard moving users though when reddit actually attempts to prevent it by banning you for trying.

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[–] ericjmorey@discuss.online 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Lemmy needs to mature on a technical basis. The Lemmy service itself is still lacking significantly. But it it progressing.

Outside of technical limitations, focus on communities. A few good ones are better than many mediocre ones.

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[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

can't. the ones that are still there wouldn't understand how to use lemmy and the fediverse and they'll just bash for the same reasons that bsky users bash mastodon. They want things to "just work" out of the box and are too lazy to figure things out.

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

“… too lazy to figure things out.” Yup, just like when somebody calls a plumber, or a mechanic or a therapist. Stop being lazy and master something in a field where you have no experience or desire to learn.

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[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Lol it's porn.

Not anything else. Provide the better covert porn outlet.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

There's porn on here. Lemmynsfw.com is actually the second most populous instance irrc (or top 3?). Just got to convince people to post to it. But then we got the same problem of trying to convince people to do that lol.

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 19 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Most people don't change unless they have to, and rarely even then. You'd have to make it so that they can't visit Reddit anymore.

Even on reddit itself, you can't get people to move from a sick community with hostile moderation to the preferred community. /r/Canada got taken over by /r/metacanada what feels like decades ago, and they turned it into a post modern bigoted classist hellhole, but it still ranks far above the "real" Canadian sub /r/OnGaurdForThee.

Maybe better not to compete with existing communities. Develop some anchor communities on Lemmy that are doing their own thing on topics that aren't well served on Reddit.

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[–] SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

Where does the believe even originate from, that Redditors are any different than Lemmings? Basically the same people minus the youngest, because they stick with using Reddit. They might or might not migrate eventually.

Make communities here bigger by contributing and spread the word of Reddit alternative. Make search engines find Lemmy content and then it goes on it's own. I guess Bluesky will push the Fediverse, but I wonder how long people will stick to a Twitter esque when they could have Lemmy full text conversations and tree structures?

[–] myopic_menace@reddthat.com 16 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Post in communities that align with your interests. Post in communities for your geographic area, if you're comfortable with that. Comment on posts you see, if you think you can add something of value to the conversation.

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[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 days ago

Stop using Reddit.

[–] Mickey7@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

One suggestion to increase participation on Lemmy of those already here is to encourage people to spend some time just looking at the "all new posts" feed. I look at it a few times per day and was surprised at the number of Lemmy groups that I never knew existed. There are far to many groups here that started out good and just faded away. If it's an interest of yours post there and try to rejuvenate the group. Message the existing moderator if you can be added as a mod for that group.

[–] Wistful@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 5 days ago

They allegedly remove posts/comments about lemmy? And even if they don't, I feel like it could have the opposite effect. People would see those posts just like ads/promotion/spam. Which would give lemmy a bad rep. Unless something big happens, like some big community switching to lemmy, or someone with a big following promotes lemmy, it will hardly see a big spike in user count.

The only way is to passively "advertise" it. Maybe add the link to your lemmy account in your reddits about you section, if you are making OC add your lemmy handle there as well...

And the last way, which is most likely the best way to do it, is to post good content on lemmy, keep communities alive. And people will eventually join.

[–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm honestly not sure I want the majority of reddit users coming to lemmy. Especially as a woman. There's just so much more nastiness on reddit. I get that sometimes the content on Lemmy slows down or gets stale, but that seems like a reasonable price to pay to avoid people with chronic interpersonal problems and no healthy emotional outlet. I think every exchange I've had on Lemmy has at least been respectful and I can't recall ever feeling that way on reddit.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 3 days ago

That has not always been my experience, although I can see why you on Lemmy.World would say so (bc it defederates from lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net, where most of the hostility across the Fediverse concentrates), but indeed the average interaction here is much more positive than on Reddit (even though the worst, e.g. if you ever comment in ChapoTrapHouse@hexbear.net, is significantly more negative than Reddit ever was allowed to become by the admins).

[–] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 5 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Which communities? I personally find most of my favorite communities to be better in lemmy than on Reddit, with a few exceptions.

[–] macroplastic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

A few niche examples:

/r/generative /r/musicians /r/wildernessbackpacking /r/tropicalweather /r/analogcommunity /r/heavymind

Good luck convincing the non-technical users there to come here. This place is currently great for interests catered to programmers and sysadmins (speaking as one!), but artist and hobby communities are seriously lacking.

[–] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 1 points 11 hours ago

If the community doesn't exist, have you tried creating one?

If it does exist, have you tried posting there?

Believe me or not that's how it starts.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Well there are some video game ones.

[–] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

If the community doesn't exist, have you tried creating one?

If it does exist, have you tried posting there?

Believe me or not that's how it starts.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

I've thought about it...

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 5 points 5 days ago

Ya I just got to reddit for specific video game ones now basically. Or specific TV shows.

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[–] bokherif@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Most of them are bots anyway and I really wouldn't want "everyone" to find out about and use lemmy because that would be the downfall of lemmy.

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