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[–] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (21 children)

Ok maybe a very stupid question but

The press freedom group Reporters Without Borders on Thursday announced

Isn't that gramatically incorrect? Shouldn't it be "The press freedom group Reporters Without Borders announced on Thursday"?

I see this kind of writing a lot in news articles so surely it's not actually wrong, but that's not how I was taught English writing.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Dialect variation. For me, saying “the car needs washed” sounds truly strange but millions and millions of people say it. You’re experiencing similar with this phrase.

[–] JWBananas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

the car needs washed

Is there a name/term for this abomination? I've only ever heard one person speak in that form (omitting "to be"), and it has haunted me ever since.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I think you’d call this elision. Assume that the phrase is originally “the car needs to be washed” but you cut out “to be”, making it into a shorter form. It’s pretty common in language to shorten things to make it faster to speak. Think of the endless contractions in English or perhaps leaving part of a sentence completely unspoken because the content is easily assumed by the interlocutors.

[–] JWBananas@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Worse, to me, is that there is a perfectly grammatically correct way to be just as brief.

Wrong:

The bed sheets need washed.

Right:

The bed sheets need washing.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

And for a linguist the question is really whether there are native speakers who consider it correct. Here there are millions who say yes.

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