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[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (12 children)

They didn't just use it sometimes, they were using it as an intentional dog whistle, that is the difference. Part of dog whistling is choosing something that, otherwise, has had no real relationship to the thing it is being used as a dog whistle for.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 31 points 2 days ago (11 children)

so they can choose anything and we just have to stop using it because its their dogwhistle now?

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (8 children)

No, but you have to understand that it now comes with the context of being a WP dog whistle. The symbolism of the Nazis weren't anything to their ideology before hand. They had widespread use for thousands of years. Now they, especially the primary one, is all but verboten in the west, and people who use things, like the swastika, as religious symbols, even know to tread with caution using it in the west. White hoods, and robes, have been used in cultural/religious regalia forever. However, you don't use them in the US unless you consider being mistaken for a klan memeber.

Can we reclaim pepe? Probably, it was minor compared to the aforementioned things, and the creator has done a lot to kibosh the commercial use of it from right wing people. However, it was that, and that context doesn't just disappear because you don't like it.

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's a whole documentary about reclaiming pepe called "feels good man"

The more we discourage people from using pepe because WP and shitheads, the more they win.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I agree, a number of the places I hang out online, and friends, use it. None of them are like that. However, when researching bigotry in culture, it will inevitably come up, and it's significance as an indicator is complicated. So, best to read the details of the data, and what they have to say about it, beyond and chart, and headline, and keep in mind that there is real reason to attach the frog to the alt-right, but it is used in many other ways.

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