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[–] glowie@h4x0r.host 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

What happens in communism?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Rather than Capital having supremacy over humanity, humans have supremacy over Capital. Capital is much like a dark god, it's will is guessed at by Capitalists, and those best capable of serving its alien will are the ones that succeed in the anarchy of the Market. Over time, these priests of Capital become fewer in number and greater in power.

Communism flips this on its head. By focusing on public ownership, central planning, and taking advantage of the productive forces previously built up via markets, humanity can bend Capital to its will. We have seen this in AES states, where healthcare is cheaper and yet high quality, literacy rates skyrocket, and production runs on plans and decision making for the whole of society.

I have an introductory Marxist reading list if you want to take a look.

[–] mukt@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

By what mechanism does elimination of "death by paperwork" ensured in this?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ensured? None. Incentivized? By focusing on eliminating the profit motive and fulfilling the will of the whole of society, there is a much larger emphasis on meeting the needs of the most impoverished and destitute.

[–] mukt@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And how exactly is "death by paperwork" incentivized in capitalist theory?

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Because killing people through neglect can improve the efficiency of your workforce

[–] mukt@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago
[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Let us take medicine as an example:

Higher doctor to patient ratio, better life expectancy for countries income level. Doctors in Cuba go door to door for routine checkups.

Cuba life expectancy is comparable to US life expectancy and has a hard time acquiring sterile needles due to the blockade if that gives you an idea

[–] glowie@h4x0r.host 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Interesting, that’s pretty cool, never knew that about Cuba. Is that to ensure a workable labor force? Whereas, the US has a significantly larger (30x) population. Therefore, the labor force maybe isn’t as cared about or needed to such a degree?

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago

I believe I read schooling there is free, so more doctors per capita is not limited by how rich your family is

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

It is because they care about the population more than they care about profits, both for moral reasons and because the whole mandate of socialism is prioritizing democracy (and therefore the needs of your constituency) over capitalism

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Beats me, I'm not a communist.

[–] glowie@h4x0r.host -3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My comment isn’t even troll. Just wondering in a communist country, do they even help their most health system burdensome people? I don’t know. Canada now is trying to pressure assisted suicide on them. I think the UK is now trying that too. I know that Australia’s healthcare system is pretty good and they’ll even help those who aren’t even citizens. I’d say Australia is pretty capitalist, but have a really good system by the looks of it. Or does this meme just mean US capitalism? I’d be curious to know what it’s like for the extremely ill and poor people in Venezuela, China, Russia, etc. Do they actually get help?

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

The "pressuring suicide n them" is not factual stats. It is misinformation. Of course you will have an outlier doctor who gives terrible advice, but doctors will do their best for treatment (physical/mental) to help people. A dying patient with severe pain was always given palletive care options, and now there is an extra option. My friends dad had incurable cancer, and constant suffering, and given a month at most. He asks for MAID because he said why would I want 4 weeks more pain/suffering when I can choose my own ending.