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EU antitrust chief to Tim Cook: Apple must allow third-party app stores::The European Union's Margrethe Vestager has met with leaders of US Big Tech firms to discuss their operations in the EU, and with Apple's Tim Cook concentrated on the App Store and Apple Music.

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[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (12 children)

And as they are opened up major companies can go to them for better deals allowing for the free market to work as intended.

[–] seedd@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Android has sideloading, does google take a lower cut than apple? No. Even with sideloading allowed, 99% people don't use it, majority android users probably don't even know about this thing called apks.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (10 children)

The option is there. Windows has an open platform, do you buy all your software and games through Microsoft or do you use the developer's website and third party launchers that have to compete on experience pricing?

Whether they are used or not doesn't matter, the first step is opening it up. And there are multiple apps that I get through alternative stores than the play store and it benefits the developer more so I don't really care what the other 99% are up to.

[–] seedd@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Thats because windows didn't have a store before 8, so everybody is used to downloading exe. And even today there isn't much on windows store. And i am not agaisnt sideloading, but there should be some safety measures too (maybe thats why windows needs antivirus?) to idiot proof sideloading. F droid is a great example of what sideloading should be.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So in the case that you are arguing there would be safeguards...you could continue to use the app store unhindered.

People should be free to install what they want, if they end up with malware that is their problem I'm not giving 30% to Apple because fuckwits can't excercise caution and educate themselves.

F droid is exactly what we are arguing for in this case, literally the exact thing this side of the argument is trying to make Apple facilitate.

[–] Spotlight7573@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

If poor security practices only affected those responsible, I might agree with you on that front. As shown from the 23andMe "breach" and also how botnets are formed, individuals' poor security practices can affect many more people than just themselves. I feel we have a responsibility to protect people from doing stupid things, even if that might not be the most free thing to do.

[–] seedd@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Android has sideloading and Google takes 30% cut too. Sideloading is pointless if majority people don't know about it. Google for example will give you a fat warning if when you install f droid...oh this shit danger bro...don't install it. Yeah, it is dangerous ..for your business. Apple will do the same, oh technically we allow sideloading EU. And they will keep fearmongering. That is why this mentality of people that sideloading is alway bad needs to go away, for that only store like f droid should be allowed.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

So you're argument is that because we can't get to perfect we shouldn't even bother trying good?

Competition regulators can mandate that large companies make their service available on multiple storefronts in the future but now we need them to mandate multiple storefronts.

The regulators can prevent Google from making it more difficult to use an alternative store. These are iterative changes.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

If you look at macOS, you see that even apps not installed through the app store need to be signed from apple in order to not trigger a big ass warning. Apple on it’s own proofs that the security aspect is not an argument. Edit: I think windows does this as well to some degree

[–] seedd@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Windoss doesn't do jack shit, that defender crap will block good cracked apps but won't block actual malware. No wonder windows has bad rep about about virus, security etc

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

This just isn’t true. Defender is pretty much all you need to prevent malware these days.

Yes, cracks and such are also caught up in them, but that’s true of virtually every antivirus.

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