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[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 59 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)
[–] cosecantphi@hexbear.net 42 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah like wtf is this lmao, apparently "war crime" is now when bad country does bad thing

[–] Aquilae@hexbear.net 35 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Well Americans are certainly telling Chinese users that their government is committing warcrimes like the meme says

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago
[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -3 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 months ago

Yeah, that is indeed one of the grab bag of accusations that Americans are hurling.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

No bro, the real genocide, the one that doesn't have a single piece of photographic or video evidence, where no probes have found any evidence, and where the allegedly victimized population has seen their standards of living rise enormously and the previously ubiquitous violence has all but stopped.

If the palestine genocide were a real one surely Blinken would have condemned it like he did the one they ~~fabricated~~ saw in Xinjiang.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee -2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, not really comparable when it comes to war crimes. If someone wanted to conflate a topic that makes both countries look similarly bad in an honest light, it would be the treatment of ethnic minorities.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

That would not be an honest light. China actually takes their affirmative action seriously and not just pays lip service to it while continuing to enact genocidal policies like the US still does on the indigenous peoples of the mainland and occupied Hawai'i which has been gentrified and settled to the point of being unlivable for most of the locals.

The claims of China's abuse of ethnic minorities are a scam espoused by the same people profitting off the genocide in Palestine. Anybody who takes the evidence seriously instead of treating accusations as trustworthy because of the volume of them doesn't understand (or chooses to ignore) how the US propaganda machine has always worked.

People still on that "China genocide" bs are about as ridiculous as people claiming Iraq had WMDs into the Obama years. It's a level of gullibility so big that it has to be voluntary.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee -1 points 5 months ago

enact genocidal policies like the US still does on the indigenous peoples of the mainland and occupied Hawai'i which has been gentrified and settled to the point of being unlivable for most of the locals.

And the same has been said about tibet, inner Mongolia, and xinjiang. I mean you can look at Chinas own census data and see that han Chinese are migrating to cities in xinjiang, displacing ethnic minorities to move away from their cultural cities.

The claims of China's abuse of ethnic minorities are a scam espoused by the same people profitting off the genocide in Palestine. Anybody who takes the evidence seriously instead of treating accusations as trustworthy because of the volume of them doesn't understand (or chooses to ignore) how the US propaganda machine has always worked.

You are conflating the accusations of genocide in one region with the accusations of ethnic discrimination. Even in that grey zone article it is conflating the study from some weird neocon group with all investigations into ethnic discrimination in China.

Han chauvinism is an established concept that even Mao took aims to curtail. Something they are still combating considering there has only been one ethnic minority to serve in the central committee in the last 35 years.

An actual criticism that I have about Xi is that he is a bit culturally conservative. The belt and road initiative utilized a lot of han centric language and the current central committee is notably the first committee that has no women serving on it in the last +25 years.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

the treatment of ethnic minorities

You mean the US having the highest prison population in the world, to the point of 1 in 5 black men over 30 having been to jail at some point of their lives?

[–] nooneescapesthelaw@mander.xyz -5 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

? The UN has thoroughly investigated and concluded that the 'Uyghur genocide' is a fabrication https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ohchr-assessment-human-rights-concerns-xinjiang-uyghur-autonomous-region I suggest you read it rather than have it filtered through biased western media orgs, and I trust their investigation a lot more than those from countries like the US that have a vested interest in painting China as negatively as possible

Even if the propaganda were true it would constitute a crime against humanity not a war crime, unless you consider the ETIM terror campaign a 'war'

[–] j_overgrens@feddit.nl -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A fabrication? Did you even read that pdf? I quote:

Serious human rights violations have been committed in XUAR in the context of the Government’s application of counter-terrorism and counter-“extremism” strategies. The implementation of these strategies, and associated policies in XUAR has led to interlocking patterns of severe and undue restrictions on a wide range of human rights. These patterns of restrictions are characterized by a discriminatory component, as the underlying acts often directly or indirectly affect Uyghur and other predominantly Muslim communities.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] j_overgrens@feddit.nl -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

No one's said there's not problems and criticisms to be made, but there just isn't a genocide no matter how much your narrative requires one

[–] j_overgrens@feddit.nl -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Here you have comment, from this thread, of someone saying there's basically no problems: https://lemmy.ml/comment/16144139

Denial of racism and abuse by the Chinese state is rampant here on Lemmy, don't pretend otherwise.

Oh and please don't assume my narrative. I hate the US more.

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You believe that china is engaging in a genocide first hand?(as opposed to simply supplying the perpetrators like the US )

And still hate the US more? do you live near a strong magnetic source? cause your moral compass is out of whack

Seriously though if you don't have a inherent bias against China, then why do you think their engaging in a genocide of Uyghurs with no evidence?

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Sandinistas killing babies