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I'm so frustrated rn. (lemmy.world)
submitted 10 months ago by Kawi@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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I have been distro hopping for about 2 weeks now, there's always something that doesn't work. I thought I would stick with Debian and now I haven't been able to make my printer work in it, I think I tried in another distro and it just worked out of the box, but there's always something that's broken in every distro.

I'm sorry I'm just venting, do you people think Ubuntu will work for me? I think I will try it next.

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[–] sxan@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I know I should be smarter about them like you are

TIL being lazy is "smart".

Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy's garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you'd built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.

[–] Nisaea@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol

Edit: found brick mates: https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/

Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn't do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!

[–] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don't imagine it makes any difference, but... IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I'm an Radeon guy, won't touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I've alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.

I dunno. I wonder why you're having so many issues, while for me EOS has just been Arch with an easier install.

[–] Nisaea@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Mostly using eos-update by clicking on the notification, unless I'm on a terminal where I still have the yay reflex from arch. I should remember to use eos-update though, I do appreciate the extra housekeeping.

Nop, I avoid nvidia as much as I can as well, I already can't avoid it at work, too much driver drama. Ryzen and radeon it is, with (almost) no fuss.

Also mostly using wayland, it works well even on KDE, but got Xorg around just in case, and I've had the occasional issue on both. That being said, it's plymouth that blows up, long before the graphical session is opened, so that shouldn't have an influence either.

Maybe I'm just a black cat, and/or maybe it just comes with the territory when you stay long enough on a bleeding-edge-use-at-your-own-risk kinda distro and update almost every day. Something's bound to go wrong eventually. Which, has also "been Arch with an easier install" for me, tbf.

Gonna investigate a bit more today, couldn't be asked yesterday. But if you're curious I can keep you updated when I find a fix. :)

Edit: Found the solution by essentially doing the same thing the folks on reddit did with nvidia by enabling early KMS start, and learning quite a bit along the way. Apparently it's now required by Plymouth and my system didn't get the memo? Or something? Eh it works.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ah. K, I think the differrence is that I'm the outlier. Your system has far larger components, with more moving parts, which I think is more common:

On most of my systems, I'm not running any graphical system; they're all servers. That eliminates a huge amount of stack that can fail. On all but non-servers I run X, which is very stable (in that upgrades almost never impact it) on non-Nvidia GPUs. And of those, all but one run herbstluftwm - Gnome and KDE are both large systems with a lot of moving parts, any of which can break (or be broken) -- in your case, it was Plasma, a KDE component. And the last desktop is running Budgie which, while still Gnome, is a lighter one based on the older GTK3. All of these things tend to make for more stable systems.

But, most people are probably running fancier, full desktop software. Larger, more complex, more development, more frequent changes. And, consequently, more prone to cascading packaging breakages, like the Plasma one.

I think if I were using software like that, I'd consider either giving up Arch and using an immutable distro, or using something like snapper or timeshift that allows boot-time system roll-backs.

[–] Nisaea@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Ah no no, maybe I was unclear, but the issue occurs during the initramfs stage, long before any of my KDE/Plasma nonsense had any chance to run! KMS has nothing to do with KDE. ^^

Edit: You still likely are an outlier though :)

[–] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh, that plasma. Yeah, that naming conflict is totally not confusing.

You could switch all your repos to the core Arch ones. I did that by accident once, and it was fine (although, I did switch them back eventually). Maybe it'd add release stability? I'm not really clear how the EOS repos vary off the baseline, except by adding some custom packages.

Inspired by our discussion, I installed snapper on two boxen. I included snap-pac and snapper-support to get system change and grub integration; there's probably also a utility out there that adds visudo-like snapshot-before-manual-edit of anything in /etc. If not, it'd be an easy script. snapper-gui and btrfs-assistant both look useful. While I'm comfortable with rescue SDs and restic backups, what I'm seeing with Arch's snapper package is pretty nice, and super easy.

I suppose anything that borks grub is going to be a PITA no matter how immutable your OS, or how fancy your rollback. Or - god forbid - fucks up your BIOS firmware. I have never had that last happen, yet (knock on wood).

[–] Nisaea@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 10 months ago

You could switch all your repos to the core Arch ones. I did that by accident once, and it was fine (although, I did switch them back eventually). Maybe it’d add release stability? I’m not really clear how the EOS repos vary off the baseline, except by adding some custom packages.

They don't afaik. EOS uses Arch's repos directly, unlike Manjaro. Just adds its own on top for all the fancy EOS stuff. Which is why EOS was immediately affected by the grub meltdown and not Manjaro. (which kinda digs a few holes in the stability hypothesis, though Manjaro is another kettle of fish tbf)

Snapper sounds really interesting, and I didn't expect "super easy" to be the feedback there. Sounds a bit overkill for my use case at home but I might look into it for work. Thanks for the info!

Oh god a borked BIOS is my nightmare... I don't even know how you'd go about fixing that on a modern PC mobo... Let's not jinx it shall we?