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[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Meanwhile, socialist Norway's wealth fund could maintain everyone's standard of living for 400 years if they stopped working right now.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 29 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

norway isnt socialist. they just excel at exporting capitalism's issues to the third world.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

In a democratic state, things like universal healthcare are also called "socialized medicine" because it is an example of the people owning the means of production in that particular industry.

That's why most countries are what we call "mixed economies", that mix elements of capitalism and socialism.

Norway mixes in a higher ratio of socialism to capitalism than most countries. But they don't export any more of capitalism's issues to the third world than other countries. It's something to emulate, not discredit.

[–] blade_barrier@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

No. "Socialized medicine" is not "people owning the means of production"

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

It is in a democratic state. Who else do you think owns it?

[–] blade_barrier@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago

How is democracy related to ownership?

[–] JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty sure no one with universal healthcare calls it "socialized medicine". That's just a buzzword Americans use to scare each other.

It's not a means of producing anything other than health. Health is seen as a human right and it makes sense even in most western capitalist countries for it to be extended to everyone.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I'm Canadian. It's what the founder of our healthcare system, Tommy Douglas, called it.

And yeah, it's the people owning the means of producing health. Socialist healthcare.

Americans scare people with these references to brutal authoritarian dictatorships that call themselves "socialist" but the real cause of all these problems is that they weren't democratic, not that they socialized industries.

Anyways, maybe it's just my autism making me literal as fuck, but I think you guys need to clear that up. This is what the people owning the means of production looks like. It's always going to be adjacent to capitalism, whether it's a socialist industry in a capitalist country, or a socialist country in a capitalist world.

[–] JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Interesting, thanks for the Canadian history lesson Perhaps that's where the Americans got their weird terminology from.

you guys need to clear that up

Who needs to do what? I'm not sure what I said that somehow gave you the impression I was an American.

My society pays for universal free healthcare, like everywhere in the civilized world.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

and in a demoratic world norway wouldnt be doing tax-free extrativism in my country (and others'), so that you can pay for your socialized medicine in a capitalist economy, where the money to finance it has to come from the poor. in this case we are your poor.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Socialized medicine is always cheaper than capitalist medicine. It's inherently more cost effective for people to pool their money together. It isn't paid for by some rich miner buying mining rights in some other country.

[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 3 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

That’s why most countries are what we call “mixed economies”, that mix elements of capitalism and socialism.

No. They are capitalist.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

By that logic, socialism cannot exist until the entire planet is socialist.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago

I'm not sure how that link is supposed to refute anything? It says basically what the comment above says without using the phrase "mixed economies".

If you meant the power structure and public/private balance is heavily capitalist for Nordic countries then you'd probably want to post something else supporting that statement.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Whenever people say this they neglect to point out that all the money came from selling oil.

[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 13 hours ago

They forget to point out that only dumbfuck yanks would consider Norway to be socialist, so the comment, in a meme community, is misleading from the get-go.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 34 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Hmmm, interesting. But what if we gave it all to one guy?

[–] theUwUhugger@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Its so fucking dumb, you wouldn’t believe it! If he isn’t retarded and have an Elon Musk moment then he would and this is making me genuinely sick contribute to society, theoretically making a net plus to society

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago

Norway is a capitalist country. It us an OECD hanger-on to the US-led imperialist world order.