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What's going on with Proton the company?
Edit: ah fuck, thanks for the replies. Sigh.
For fucks sake. I just started to move to proton last year...
https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e worth a read regarding that situation.
Wow! Add me to that group. I need to cancel my annual family plan.
I unfortunately bought a subscription before dickhead made his statement. Looks like I'm with them for a year >.<
I haven't done it yet, but if you cancel your and contact them, I've heard you can get a refund for the months you haven't used. Even if you cancel but don't contact, you still can use the service until the end of your subscription.
My biggest thing stopping me rn is moving my emails away from proton mail and simpleogin (switched to mailbox.org and anonaddy free) and trying to convince myself I don't need port forwarding 😭
It would be more accurate to say some people are moving away. The majority of their users are quite happy where they are.
"Time to find a CEO who has yet to publicly express their fascist sympathies..."
The irony of saying something like that when you're using an ISP with Trump supporters on the board of directors is wild.
To be clear I'm parodying the people who think there are corporate safe havens where they can vote with their dollars.
I am not, but it took me a year+ to move from Gmail to Proton after having a Gmail account since the start of the service, and after i was more or less settled in now comes this scandal, i will move but it will not be immediately, need to plan it well, and also likely use a custom domain to not need to change the address in the future
Proton recently closed their masterdon account because of the mutual hostility
*Mastodon
if anything they've reopened their account with Master Don
Just FYI, the majority of Proton AG (which includes all Proton services) is owned by a non-profit body called the "Proton Foundation". This are headed by a board of 5 members, including Andy (CEO) and Tim Berners-Lee (the literal father of the internet as we know it).
Proton is fine.
routing traffic through Israel is not fine.
Then don’t do that? You have your choice of servers.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190318213020/https://cryptome.org/2015/11/protonmail-ddos.htm
This is a decontextualized post from 2015 that theorizes a DDoS attack on Proton at the time was coercion to "help" them by offering to proxy their traffic through Bynet in Israel for the purpose of tampering. Is there any other info out there to support this theory? It's intriguing and believable but also complete hearsay absent any other corroboration, context, further info, etc.
I don't trust proton. if you think you can trust proton, feel free to use them.
That didn't answer the question. You made an assertion, but haven't provided any evidence to support that claim.
I did provide evidence. you're asking for more evidence.
No, you provided a conspiracy theory that fit your explicit biases. If you had bothered to actually read the link you provided, you would know they didn't provide any evidence to support their claim that Israel is hacking Proton.
the claim isn't that Israel is hacking proton. the claim is that proton routed traffic through an IDF affiliate.
It literally claims that the traffic was routed expressly for the purpose. You didn't read the article.
I read it when it was published and stashed it for opportunities like this.
Then you didn't read it very good, if you not only missed the fact the article was alleging Proton was hacked by Israel, as well as believe it provides proof of that claim when it does not.
the post is mostly verifiable information with two sentences of speculation that you seem to think is the crux of what I said, when, in fact, all I said is that routing traffic through Israel dimishes my trust in proton.
So your position is that they did something you didn't like a decade ago, and so that makes them untrustworthy now?
At least you've admitted that your argument is nothing more than an opinion.
trustworthiness is always a matter of opinion.
Please elaborate
https://encryp.ch/blog/disturbing-facts-about-protonmail/
https://web.archive.org/web/20190318213020/https://cryptome.org/2015/11/protonmail-ddos.htm
It should be noted everywhere that this person posts this, that this is an allegation without any actual evidence to support it.
the post is the evidence.
No, the post is a conspiracy theory that gives no evidence to support the claim. You can't use an allegation as evidence to support your allegation, that's circular logic.
it's not circular logic. if you don't know, you can just not say things.
That's very good advice. The article you links specifically says "Allegedly" in the title. Let me save you the hassle of getting a dictionary and explain to you the definition of "allegedly":
The article not only does not provide proof, but it admits that it does not provide it. You, however, continue to insist it does because you want it to be true.
I'm not willing to risk that it might be true
Unless you’re an Israel citizen then why does it matter? Chances are you passed data through an Israel server at some point in time whether it be directly or not.
it's one reason among many.
Like basically all tech companies, the leadership are libertarian tech bros. It sucks, but whatever. The problem is also that the CEO (?) has been making public statements to try and cozy up to the trump administration over the past few months
Some of that still falls under the LTB effect (These policies benefit the company so fuck everyone else, etc) and it DOES make sense for a company to try and earn themselves an exception for the upcoming hellscape in a market that will REALLY want VPNs. But it still leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.
Not in an "I MUST LEAVE PROTON NOW" state since I like the products because they tend to be pretty honest about what they will and won't do when the goons come a knocking and that mostly boils down to "cooperate. So do X Y and Z to protect yourself by preventing us from having the information they want"). But that, plus protonmail being kind of a shitshow if you want to keep offline copies of your emails, is motivation to shop around.
I wouldn't exactly call Tim Berners-Lee a "libertarian tech bro".