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In the piece — titled "Can You Fool a Self Driving Car?" — Rober found that a Tesla car on Autopilot was fooled by a Wile E. Coyote-style wall painted to look like the road ahead of it, with the electric vehicle plowing right through it instead of stopping.

The footage was damning enough, with slow-motion clips showing the car not only crashing through the styrofoam wall but also a mannequin of a child. The Tesla was also fooled by simulated rain and fog.

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[–] Forbo@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You're mischaracterizing their point. Nobody is saying take the exact piece of equipment, put it in the vehicle and PRESTO. That'd be like asking why the vacuum battery can't power the car. Because duh.

The point is if such a novelty, inconsequential item that doesn't have any kind of life safety requirements can employ a class of technology that would prevent adverse effects, why the fuck doesn't the vehicle? This is a design flaw of Teslas, pure and simple.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

But they do, there are literally cars out there with lidar sensors.

The question was why can't I have a lidar sensor on my car if my $150 vacuum has one. The lidar sensor for a car is more than $150.

You don't have one because there are expensive at that size and update frequency. Sensors that are capable of outdoor mapping at high speed cost the price of a small car.

The manufacturers suspect and probably rightfully so that people don't want to pay an extra 10 - 30 grand for an array of sensors.

The technology readily exists rober had one in his video that he used to scan a roller coaster. It's not some conspiracy that you don't have it on cars and it's not like it's not capable of being done because waymo does it all the time.

There's a reason why waymo doesn't use smaller sensors they use the minimum of what works well. Which is expensive, which people looking at a mid-range car don't want to take on the extra cost, hence it's not available

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Good God it's like you're going out of the way to intentionally misunderstand the point.

Nobody is saying that the lidar on a car should cost the same as a lidar on a vacuum cleaner. What everyone is saying is that if the company that makes vacuum cleaners thinks it's important enough to put lidar on, surely you're not the company that makes cars should think that it's important enough to put lidar on.

Stop being deliberately dense.

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

You're either taking to a fanboy or Elon on ket. You ain't gettin' through.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Stop being deliberately dense.

Its weaponized incompetence.

I bet they do the same shit with their partner when it comes to dishes, laundry, and the garbage.

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

lol, what partner

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu -1 points 1 month ago

Whether lidars are reliable enough to run on autonomous cars has nothing to do with whether they are cost efficient enough to run on vacuum cleaners though. The comparison is therefore completely irrelevant. Might as well complain that jet fighters don't allow sharing on Instagram your location, because your much cheaper phone does.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Only Tesla does not use radar with their control systems. Every single other manufacturer uses radar control mixed with the camera system. The Tesla system is garbage.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

yeah, you'd think they'd at least use radar. That's cheap AF. It's like someone there said I have this hill to die on, I bet we can do it all with cameras.

[–] _g_be@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

someone

Yeahhh pretty sure I know who