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But in the US it is a cultural thing. Like Italian-Americans have a different culture from other Americans and from current day Italians. The US is a big place, with many different cultures and people like Europe. It's like if I said to you that you are European so stop calling yourself Dutch.
Your comparison between "European vs Dutch" and "American vs Irish-American" is fundamentally flawed.
Nationality vs ancestry are different concepts. Dutch is my current nationality, defined by citizenship, language, culture, and shared social experience. Being "Dutch-Norwegian" would mean I hold dual citizenship or were raised in both cultural contexts simultaneously. Most Americans claiming to be "Irish-American" have no citizenship, language fluency, or authentic cultural immersion in Ireland.
The cultural disconnect is stark. What Americans call "Italian-American culture" has diverged dramatically from actual Italian culture over generations. It's become a distinctly American phenomenon with superficial cultural markers rather than authentic representation. When Irish-Americans visit Ireland, locals often view them as simply American tourists because the cultural gap is so evident.
With each generation, the cultural connection weakens substantially. By the third or fourth generation, what remains is often reduced to stereotypical elements like celebrating St. Patrick's Day or eating pasta on Sundays. This selective cultural picking isn't equivalent to genuine cultural identity.
European identity framework differs fundamentally. In Europe, identity is primarily based on where you were born and raised, your language, and your lived experience – not distant ancestry.
Many Americans who claim hyphenated identities have minimal knowledge of their ancestral country's modern culture, politics, or social realities. They cling to outdated or stereotypical notions that no longer reflect the actual country.
Comparing a continental identity (European) to a national one (Dutch) is not the same as comparing a national identity (American) to a hyphenated ancestral one (Irish-American). The Netherlands exists within Europe; "Irish-American" does not represent a legitimate political or cultural subset of America in the same way.
The level of authority that you're speaking with about another country's culture while clearly only having a surface-level understanding is actually wild. Maybe accept that the Americans who are telling you otherwise have more knowledge and understanding of their own culture.
I understand the cultural grouping that happens when large migrant communities form. What I don't understand is why Americans portray themselves as Dutch when coming to the Netherlands. Their customs, language, culture, and nationality are different. They're not Dutch whatsoever.
Use it to identify yourselves within the USA, that makes sense. Don't use it to claim being part of a culture that you know nothing about.
Do they, though? Are there really that many Americans who think or try to pretend they are actually Dutch, instead of Americans who are have Dutch ancestry?
It honestly sounds like they are just trying to connect by sharing a commonality and something that is (probably) important to them in some way. It's an expression of appreciation. Even if the cultural traditions carried on in the US are different than in the modern-day country--so what? It doesnt make those cultural traditions less important to the people who celebrate them. I fail to understand what is wrong with acknowledging or appreciating where those traditions originated.
Is it just a matter of semantics and an objection to the label itself "(whatever nationality)-American"?