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The american voters have really outdone themselves this time

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (7 children)

When you're agnostic you're just a closet atheist. It's not that atheists are sure there is no god, we're not, nobody can say that for sure. We can (and do) say, however, that you don't have to worry about made up fairy tale rules, there likely isn't a god. Just be a nice person and you'll be fine.

[–] Jollyllama@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I used to call myself an atheist but switched to agnostic since I don't know for certain. My agnostic belief in a higher power is NOT the judgemental rule writing god of scripture. More of a default reason for enexplainable things in our universe. As science progresses there are less things where the higher power is needed.

But that's just me.

I always told my parents when they were disappointed in me for ditching the "Faith": I may be a bad Jew but I make every effort to be a good person.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Atheist moment

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

All of the agnostics I know openly identity as atheists, too.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm agnostic. Definitely not a closet atheist. I actually talk about God with my closest and most catholic friend regularly

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So do I, what's your point?

If you say that you believe in God, then you're not agnostic. If you don't believe in God, you're an atheist. Atheist, agnostic, in practice it's the exact same thing

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 0 points 2 days ago

If I were an atheist then I would say there is no God, no afterlife, no soul, none of that.

I am agnostic because I haven't seen evidence that I should rule it out nor accept it as gospel. Pun slightly intended.

[–] misteloct@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think we can be for sure, religious skeptic is an equally ridiculous term. It's like saying I'm a teacup-around-Saturn skeptic. In any reasonable meaning of the word "certain", "truth", or "sure", the teacup and any deity do not exist nor play any role in our lives. They deserve no consideration except for niche discussions in philosophy and epistemology. We should use the teacup example even in that case, not the deity one.

[–] allidoislietomyself@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is not true at all. That is why agnostic and atheist are two separate words with two separate meanings. I agree with the be a nice person part though.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

In practice they're exactly the same. Atheists don't say anything differently than agnostics

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

agnostic arnt aethiest thought.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

You can be both. A lot of atheists are also agnostics.