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"If you didn't want fascism you should have voted!" (lemmy.ml)
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[–] Paramania@lemmy.world -3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Defeatism at its finest. With that attitude Bernie wouldn't even hold a seat or have gotten as close as he did.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It isn't defeatism, it's a recognition of failed strategy. Revolution is necessary.

[–] Paramania@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Sure. And how do you imagine that is going to happen? Get real.

Revolution happens by taking over the system, organizing, bringing people together. Selling the ideas of the movement.

How do you imagine it? A small armed group of insurrectionists by bitter leftists that refuse to do the actual work of democracy. Democracy is people organizing from the bottom not accepting the system and sitting on the sidelines waiting for a socialist to be running for president.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It happens through working class organization, building support, protesting, and creating an organized movement, like what PSL is doing, and what other revolutionary groups have done throughout history in places like Russia, Cuba, China, etc.

[–] Paramania@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah Russia and China are great examples. Cuba you can blame on the capitalist interfere but if you think anyone wants to work towards the goal of being the Soviet Union or Communist China then you are living in a fantasy.

I agree with the first part though, since it's the same as what I said. But those organized movements are not moving towards an armed revolution as a realistic end goal.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

The large majority of the population of post-Soviet states regret the dissolution of Socialism. Meanwhile, over 90% of Chinese citizens approve of their government, and are increadingly happy with the direction the country is heading in:

So no, this isn't fantasy. I've actually done the effort to dig into these systems critically, rather than just accept the standard Red Scare narrative.

Secondly, PSL is a revolutionary party, it outlines that on their party program:

While reforms must be fought for, and can be won, they are under constant attack by the ruling class. Capitalism itself cannot be reformed. Its supreme law and driving force is the maximization of profit. The only force capable of putting an end to this criminal system is the organized working class. Capitalism cannot be voted out of power—it will take a revolution. The capitalist class will stop at nothing to prevent or overturn reforms by repressing, misdirecting or quelling any form of popular rebellion. Without a complete uprooting of the system that causes all the problems workers and oppressed peoples face, exploitation and oppression will still exist. The capitalist state will continue to rule.

Would it kill you to do the barest research on anything you talk about?