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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I’m not defecting to Trump. I’m a socialist. I’m not supporting either of your genocidal fascists. Both gotta go.

[–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works -4 points 3 days ago (3 children)

So the solution in this case, would be to not vote? Think about this, if both sides have the same views on a topic, but they aren't totally the same on every topic, then voters should pick them based on stuff they disagree on. This is actually entirely obvious

[–] LemmeAtEm@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Voters should vote for those who represent their interests. If any candidate is endorsing (let alone committing) genocide, and that is a violation of a given voter's interests (and it damn well better be), then that voter should not vote for that candidate, period. If there are only 2 options and both are genocidal, then neither should be rewarded with a vote. You want "harm reduction"? Then vote for PSL - if your liberal obsession with voting has convinced you that voting has any power whatsoever, then don't use it to reward genocide, use that power to say no to it entirely. If your position is that "we live under a system where we are getting genocide no matter what" then rather than going "well, there's a chance this one might be one iota less genocide" maybe start coming to the correct conclusion that the system is indeed irredeemably rotten and rigged FOR genocide, that it is designed to be this way which makes all of that system your enemy, not just the orange team that says the quiet part out loud too much, but also the one that smiles politely and gives the right lip service while literally, not figuratively, but very much actually mass murdering children. Yep, that blue team is your enemy too. So now it's time to get down to the hard work of building alternative power structures through organization in direct defiance of the genocidal machine, having done away with your petty red(orange)/blue team false dichotomy. Join us in actually working for a better world rather than tossing up your hands and voting for the genocidaires that cry crocodile tears and pretend it's such a sad state of affairs as they massacre little kids for power and profit. You aren't actually beholden to support them. They aren't the "lesser" evil, they're just another piece of the entire evil machine!

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I had planned to vote for Claudia De La Cruz, but the Democrats sued her off of the ballot in my state.

But they won’t let us take control at the ballot box. The capitalists will turn the guns on us before they hand over their power, even if we followed their rules.

Also, the Dems are working with the GOP to ban ranked choice voting nation wide.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you boil the entirety political action one can take to a binary choice between 2 Imperialist parties, then you'd have a point. To get to that point, though, you have had to fundamentally ignore the entire argument about voting being perhaps the weakest form of expressing political power one can do.

[–] SoulWager@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

While voting, the only votes that matter are for the 2 leading parties. A third party vote is equivalent to not voting. Outside of the voting booth, there's more you can do to push what you actually want. Doing stuff other than voting doesn't mean you have to completely waste your vote too.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Third party votes do a number of things, from signaling disapproval for the electoral system in general, to supporting parties that one of the lead parties will need to bend towards to capture votes.

Also, only a handful of states even matter, most states aren't swing states. In these non-swing states, no vote matters. This is part of why voter apathy is so high.

[–] SoulWager@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Nobody in power gives a crap about a protest vote, If you spend that time protesting elsewhere you'll make a bigger impact.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

If they didn’t care, they wouldn’t spend millions of dollars to block “protest candidates” from ballots and debates.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

People out of power care. The Working Class should signal its own strength by fronting its own party, not the bourgeois parties.

[–] SoulWager@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Sure, just dilute your power even more.

Run on a third party ticket when you have the numbers to win an election, until then organize a group, and trade support for concessions.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Concessions aren't coming, Capital doesn't want them.

[–] SoulWager@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's how you play the game. Your other choices are being a piece on the board, or violence.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago

So then revolution, that's what has worked, historically.