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I’m not defecting to Trump. I’m a socialist. I’m not supporting either of your genocidal fascists. Both gotta go.
So the solution in this case, would be to not vote? Think about this, if both sides have the same views on a topic, but they aren't totally the same on every topic, then voters should pick them based on stuff they disagree on. This is actually entirely obvious
If you boil the entirety political action one can take to a binary choice between 2 Imperialist parties, then you'd have a point. To get to that point, though, you have had to fundamentally ignore the entire argument about voting being perhaps the weakest form of expressing political power one can do.
While voting, the only votes that matter are for the 2 leading parties. A third party vote is equivalent to not voting. Outside of the voting booth, there's more you can do to push what you actually want. Doing stuff other than voting doesn't mean you have to completely waste your vote too.
Third party votes do a number of things, from signaling disapproval for the electoral system in general, to supporting parties that one of the lead parties will need to bend towards to capture votes.
Also, only a handful of states even matter, most states aren't swing states. In these non-swing states, no vote matters. This is part of why voter apathy is so high.
Nobody in power gives a crap about a protest vote, If you spend that time protesting elsewhere you'll make a bigger impact.
If they didn’t care, they wouldn’t spend millions of dollars to block “protest candidates” from ballots and debates.
People out of power care. The Working Class should signal its own strength by fronting its own party, not the bourgeois parties.
Sure, just dilute your power even more.
Run on a third party ticket when you have the numbers to win an election, until then organize a group, and trade support for concessions.
Concessions aren't coming, Capital doesn't want them.
That's how you play the game. Your other choices are being a piece on the board, or violence.
So then revolution, that's what has worked, historically.