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[–] wwb4itcgas@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago (21 children)

Of course, that has always been true. What concerns me now is the proportion of useful to useless people. Most societies are - while cybernetically complex - rather resilient. Network effects and self-organization can route around and compensate for a lot of damage, but there comes a point where having a few brilliant minds in the midst of a bunch of atavistic confused panicking knuckle-draggers just isn't going to be enough to avoid cascading failure. I'm seeing a lot of positive feedback loops emerging, and I don't like it.

As they say about collapsing systems: First slowly, then suddenly very, very quickly.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (14 children)

Same argument was already made around 2500BCE in Mesopotamian scriptures. The corruption of society will lead to deterioration and collapse, these processes accelerate and will soon lead to the inevitable end; remaining minds write history books and capture the end of humanity.

...and as you can see, we're 4500 years into this stuff, still kicking.

One mistake people of all generations make is assuming the previous ones were smarter and better. No, they weren't, they were as naive if not more so, had same illusions of grandeur and outside influences. This thing never went anywhere and never will. We can shift it to better or worse, but societal collapse due to people suddenly getting dumb is not something to reasonably worry about.

[–] wwb4itcgas@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Almost certainly not, no. Evolution may work faster than once thought, but not that fast. The problem is that societal, and in particular, technological development is now vastly outstripping our ability to adapt. It's not that people are getting dumber per se - it's that they're having to deal with vastly more stuff. All. The. Time. For example, consider the world as it was a scant century ago - virtually nothing in evolutionary terms. A person did not have to cope with what was going on on the other side of the planet, and probably wouldn't even know for months if ever. Now? If an earthquake hits Paraguay, you'll be aware in minutes.

And you'll be expected to care.

Edit: Apologies. I wrote this comment as you were editing yours. It's quite different now, but you know what you wrote previously, so I trust you'll be able to interpret my response correctly.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes, my apologies I edited it so drastically to better get my point across.

Sure, we get more information. But we also learn to filter it, to adapt to it, and eventually - to disregard things we have little control over, while finding what we can do to make it better.

I believe that, eventually, we can fix this all as well.

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