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Context (for those who don't know): Israel and Palestine

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[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

One group was actually living there and the other group moved in and literally ripped people from their homes.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago

6 people deny history.

[–] roboticide@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's been happening for the last 5,000 years in that region though, since the Canaanites.

It's not like the Palestinians were the first there.

[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The Palestinians are descendants of the ancient canaanites. Most of the people in that region never left they just changed their religion at some point. This hasn't always been happening, in Ottoman times Christians Jews and Muslims peacefully coexisted in the region.

[–] roboticide@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean, kinda? They're also heavily descended from 7th Century AD Arabic conquerors, but yes, many other natives may have adopted Arabic culture, language and religion at that time.

But Jewish culture is also derived from the Canaanite culture, with arguably more overlap. Jewish culture in the region can be traced back to at least the 9th Century BC, with the literal Kingdom of Israel. So the argument of "Well who was there first?" does not necessarily favor the Palestinians over the Israelis.

This has always been happening though. It's not like the Ottomans took over the region peacefully. It's been conquered and re-conquered by Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans...

[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Palestinian culture is also derived from canaanite culture. Arabs are semitic people and follow abrahamic traditions. When places get conquered usually the ruling class changes but the lower class people stay in their homes and just change language/religion/identity. Usually the new rulers don't try to completely wipe out the inhabitants of their new land the way israel is doing with Palestinians

[–] Flumsy@feddit.de -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

One group took 2 years to organize an attack on civilians, the other didnt...

[–] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The other has been attacking them for decades...

[–] Flumsy@feddit.de -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

This was on a different level though. Taking civilian hostages? Launching rockets with the target being a music festival?

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago

Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights press release outlining large scale targeting of peaceful protesters, women, children, people with disabilities, paramedics and journalists by Israeli snipers: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2019/02/no-justification-israel-shoot-protesters-live-ammunition

BBC report on the killing of Christian American-Palestinian journalist and subsequent attack of her funeral: https://youtube.com/watch?v=y11CVGz7toM

BBC article about the Human Rights Watch report detailing Israel's crimes of apartheid: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56898864

The majority of Gaza children suffer from PTSD caused by the constant conditions of warfare, psychological study: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2020.00004/full

Human Rights Watch report on "indiscriminate" bombing of schools by IDF forces: https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/09/11/israel-depth-look-gaza-school-attacks

Al Jazeera article about Israel bombing a refugee camp housing refugees of Israel's air strikes: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/14/israels-bombardment-of-gaza-continues-live

Amnesty International—Israeli airstrikes targeting civilian housing constitute war crimes https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2021/05/israelopt-pattern-of-israeli-attacks-on-residential-homes-in-gaza-must-be-investigated-as-war-crimes/

Article by the Intercept about Israeli airstrikes targeting medical facilities: https://theintercept.com/2021/05/21/gaza-bombing-hospital-israel/

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

when did Israel specifucally taregt civilians?

They do it often. Here's a particularly nasty one from 2009, there are plenty more if you care to look.

https://www.hrw.org/report/2009/03/25/rain-fire/israels-unlawful-use-white-phosphorus-gaza

[–] Tom_bishop@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Dont forget Israel bombed Associated Press & Al Jazeera office building in 2021 for reporting against them

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago

Both sides constantly attack civillians.