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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago (4 children)

You make this point like there’s any other option.

I would love to not have to vote for a Democrat.

But I have to, because we are all doomed.

[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago

There are other options. Join a socialist org and organize/eductate within your workplace and community.

You don't have to vote for a Democrat.

People have been voting Democrats the whole time on our path to where we are, it didn't stop us from being doomed. We had 2 Obama terms right before Trump 1, then we had a Biden term between Trump 1 and 2 and it stopped/fixed nothing.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago

You can join Leftist parties and try to build up alternatives that can avoid doom, you don't have to side against the people trying to save us all.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 month ago

The reason there isn't any other option is because nobody puts in the effort to add other options.

There's a Simpsons meme currently in Active on 196 rn from 1994 pointing out how ineffective both parties are. People have had longer than I have been alive to work on a third way.

America isn't collapsing now all of a sudden. People have been passively watching it die for decades.

[–] srubhut@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You don't have a say in the dictatorship of capital and white supremacy so it doesn't matter what you do. If it makes you feel better then do it but it doesn't accomplish anything.

[–] SkavarSharraddas@gehirneimer.de 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

but it doesn't accomplish anything.

That's what they want you to think.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 month ago

No, they definitely want us to think that it matters despite all evidence to the contrary[1][2][3][4], because they don’t want us rolling out the guillotines.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, they absolutely want you to think voting is the only way to achieve change, despite organizing being a far more consistent and effective lever to pull than voting. They want you constrained within the boundaries of electoralism because they set up the system so the house always wins, regardless of party.

[–] SkavarSharraddas@gehirneimer.de -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can do both, you know? Vote for the party that doesn't want to drive the country off the next cliff, and demand that they do better.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

"Demanding that they do better" isn't what I'm talking about. The system is designed precisely to not damage the profits of Capital. Asking the Dems as nicely as possible will not make things better. This strategy does not work. In order for government to listen to the working class, it needs to be owned by the working class, not Capitalists. Everything else would be table scraps.

Further, the Dems can't prevent the country from driving off a cliff, the US Empire has been in decline as more countries have gone against its plunder. There's less plunder now, so the working class feels the squeeze the most. We need to organize and sieze control.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I’ve been voting in every election and primary for the last 25 years.

When will it start to effect change?

[–] irmoz@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago

You're spouting leftist rhetoric as if you're actually on the side of the working class, yet have no problem snubbing the actual work and resorting to billionaires' pet AIs. Be consistent, you poseur. If you actually cared about the working class you wouldn't be rubbing artists out of the picture by using genAI, and you'd certainly be against the potential for AI to erase millions of jobs and devastate the environment with energy demands.