You can't prove something that hasn't existed. You're arguing against theory by saying it hasn't been put into practice, disallowing it from being put into practice to be tested. This is the same anti-leftist, anti-development argument. The theory itself needs to be discounted.

You're not making any sort of analysis, just sticking your head in the sand and pretending that primitive anarchism is the same as modern anarchism, and moreover are taking a mystical approach, rather than a practical approach. That's why I'm saying you ignore Materialism, rather than arguing on the basis that humans are driven by material conditions, you instead argue that since one unrelated tangential structure turned into another, that Anarchism itself is bunk.

We aren't going to agree here, clearly.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You can’t prove something that hasn’t existed.

Putting theory into practice is literally what Materialism is. Thanks for confirming that you're the one lacking Materialist position in this argument.

You’re not making any sort of analysis, just sticking your head in the sand and pretending that primitive anarchism is the same as modern anarchism, and moreover are taking a mystical approach, rather than a practical approach.

That's literally the opposite of the facts. I'm advocating for an approach based on a theory that has been successfully put into practice and has demonstrated results. You are the one who is sticking your head in the sand and talking about some hypotheticals that have never been tested or put into practice. You need to learn what Materialism is if you're going to keep using this word.

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Materialism is doing away with the idea that history is shaped by ideas and will, rather than material conditions. It isn't going against proposed theory by targeting unrelated theory.

You're arguing that you cannot make predictions or try new things, despite validity of the theoretical basis, on the grounds that it hasn't yet been done.

You're definitely not getting it.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, Materialism does not in fact do away with ideas, what it says is that there is a dialectical relationship between ideas and material reality, between theory and practice. I'm arguing that any theory that hasn't been put into practice does not have much value. Materialism means coming up with an idea, trying it out, seeing the results, integrating that into the theory, and trying again. Continuous dialectical process of improving the theory and testing it is what Materialism actually is.

You've made it abundantly clear that you don't actually understand the subject you're attempting to debate here. Maybe spend some time educating yourself instead of telling other people they're not getting it.

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Materialism is quite literally the position that history is shaped by physical, material conditions, and reality, rather than the will or thoughts of individuals.

Claiming that I don't understand what Materialism is when you've been arguing against Primitive Communism as though it's Modern Anarchism is absurd.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 11 months ago

All you do is just misrepresent what I'm saying never addressing the actual points being made. Bya.