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Its not public ownership when an authoritarian state owns a company. Its only public ownership if the state is a democracy.
They're a capitalist country with an authoritarian government. They may want to transition to a true communist society in the future but they need capitalism to build their countrys economy.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/
China is a democracy, even studies by conservative western institutions show Chinese people have higher satisfaction with their government, more belief in the importance of democracy, and more belief in the democratic nature of their government than western European and American citizens do for their own governments.
They have a more comprehensive democracy too. Consultative processes and deliberative processes are enshrined in institutions in a way that they are not within western bourgeois democracies.
I'm not sure that link helps you at all. It doesnt mention anything about china being a democracy and proves my point.
"95.5 percent of respondents were either relatively satisfied or highly satisfied with Beijing" while 11% were satisfied with local government.
Bro cmon dont tell me you dont see what's happening here. China plays propaganda for its citizens constantly and punishes anti government thought. But not for the local government. This poll doesnt accurately capture sentiment became people do not have freedom of expression in china. I'd believe that most people like the government, its done very well but 95.5% is a joke.
Not a dude, please don't "bro" me
Here is another helpful link, on citizen perception of the importance of democracy and whether their government is democratic.
It was founded by a former NATO secretary so it has a pro-western bias.
https://allianceofdemocracies.org/democracy-perception-index
Here is a chart sourced from its its 2024 report. As you can see Chinese people have more faith in democracy and the democratic nature of their government than westerners do.
The whole brainwashing thing is nonsense, as Cowbee pointed out you misread the data on the 11 percent. It seems like you are misreading data to support your preconceived notions.
None of that is democracy. Perceiving democracy based off a few unrelated vauge measurements is not democracy. Thats such a weak citation.
I haven't read the cowbee comment yet but I have absolutely no faith that they have any point.
So you think 95.5% is accurate and there is no brainwashing going on. People must just love authoritarian regimes because they always report near perfect satisfaction polling results.
"Brainwashing" doesn't exist. It's a theory pushed by the United States during the Cold War to offer an explanation for why citizens in Socialist countries supported their systems. Read Masses, Elites, and Rebels: The Theory of "Brainwashing" if you want to learn more about the subject.
Oh of course brainwashing is just something made up by the us to make tankies look bad. Of course how could I have missed that.
Thanks for reeducating me. I'll forget everything i know about propaganda and environmental influences. Those can't have influenced peoples thoughts that would be so crazy.
Edit: can't reply to any comments because disagreement is against the rules.
The idea of “brain-washing” can be credited to Edward Hunter, a CIA-funded writer and editor, who in 1950 started writing articles and books on the subject. His thesis was that Red China and the Soviet Union could control the minds of their respective citizenry—which explained how susceptible Americans captured on foreign soil would be.
Rather than "mind control," people license themselves to believe ideas that coincide with what they percieve to be materially beneficial. Capitalists genuinely believe that Capitalism naturally selects for those most competent, Chinese citizens genuinely believe Socialism in China benefits themselves, and both are genuine beliefs because of real material benefits.
You know, if for one second you entertained ideas that go against your current understanding, you'd develop deeper and multi-sided understanding. Instead, you reflexively complain about communists and conspiracies. Of course environmental factors play a role, but they do not command thought, but reinforce beliefs.
Socialism is so bad people like Einstein, Jack London, Helen Keller, MLK2, Mandela, Mark Twain, Picasso, Ghandi, Fred Hampton embraced some version of it.