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I downloaded Java, Removed LibreOffice, and installed OpenOffice. I see all the icons, and everything, but when I click on it to open it, NOTHING happens. I just, wont open, I uninstalled, and reinstalled it. and I dont know what to do. Can anyone please help me?

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[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Then those people should say that as an addendum or side-note to an attempted answer to OP's question, not as a replacement for said attempted answer.

[–] acid_falcon@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You're not wrong, and I'm upvoting everything you say because I hate the smug SO people who ask why instead of actually trying to help.

But in this specific case, there's literally no reason to use OpenOffice, it's discontinued. People shouldn't have to explain how to use a defunct software with an addendum.

It's not an obscure programming language with an edge case, it's a word processor.

You're not wrong, and I'm upvoting everything you say because I hate the smug SO people who ask why instead of actually trying to help.

Yeah, I hate those people too. I appreciate the support.

But in this specific case, there's literally no reason to use OpenOffice, it's discontinued. People shouldn't have to explain how to use a defunct software with an addendum.

It's not an obscure programming language with an edge case, it's a word processor.

I can see where you're coming from. Still, I personally try to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume until demonstrated otherwise that they have considered alternatives and decided their current program is best for their particular usecase.

Is it naïve? Possibly. I fully admit that possibility.

[–] pixelscript@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I admire the respect you have for those who ask questions like this, but I think I disagree.

If there is something egregiously wrong with the premise of what a person is seeking to do, and there are no qualifying statements in their query about why they do in fact need to do this specifiic thing in this specific way, chances are high that they are uneducated about why the premise of what they're trying to do is flawed, and they are best served by being course corrected. Giving them the answer they're looking for to continue the bad thing while hiding your suggestion of what they should be doing instead in a footnote is just enabling them to double down on the short term path of least resistance that will probably come back to bite them again later.

If they really did know what they were doing with regards to doing an otherwise unsafe and/or unsupported thing, or if the restrictions tied their hands from using the obvious replacement solution, it either should have appeared in their question prompt, or it should be in the first replies to the first round of answers.

I say, withhold outdated advice unless the context of the conversation makes it explicitly clear that the old advice is genuinely required and not substitutable with current advice. But also don't be smug, rude, dismissive, or standoffish about it. Don't argue with someone who says they really do need a specific solution.

That said, this only applies in really cut and dry cases like this one, where there very clearly is an indisputable thing you shouldn't be doing, and a drop-in replacement you should be using. The ones I hate are moreso those you may see on StackOverflow where the question is like, "how do I do in JavaScript?" and five of the seven responses including the accepted answer offer a solution in some big dumb framework or lib that they apparently expect you to just incorporate into your project.

[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If there is something egregiously wrong with the premise of what a person is seeking to do, and there are no qualifying statements in their query about why they do in fact need to do this specifiic thing in this specific way, chances are high that they are uneducated about why the premise of what they’re trying to do is flawed ...

You are probably right about this. Still, as I said to another user, I just feel it's a bit of a slippery slope from a stance of concern to full-blown-StackOverflow-ignoring-the-question.

If they really did know what they were doing with regards to doing an otherwise unsafe and/or unsupported thing, or if the restrictions tied their hands from using the obvious replacement solution, it either should have appeared in their question prompt, or it should be in the first replies to the first round of answers.

I can agree with this.

That said, this only applies in really cut and dry cases like this one, where there very clearly is an indisputable thing you shouldn’t be doing, and a drop-in replacement you should be using. The ones I hate are moreso those you may see on StackOverflow where the question is like, “how do I do in JavaScript?” and five of the seven responses including the accepted answer offer a solution in some big dumb framework or lib that they apparently expect you to just incorporate into your project.

Fair enough.

Truth be told, I work in customer service, and have very little tolerance for bullshit, so I'm genuinely surprised to find myself as patient and giving-the-benefit-of-the-doubt as I am being. I guess this thread just reminded me a bit too much of the days of 2015. Lol.

 


Edit: Shit. Forgot to add the > at the quote at the top. My bad.